HI there,

El 02/04/17 a les 15:30, Francis Tyers ha escrit:
> El 2017-04-02 12:27, Mikel L. Forcada escribió:
>> Dear Masha,
>>
>> I still have to be convinced that this is an Apertium project as I do
>> not see any connection to the core in Apertium, namely,
>> shallow-transfer rule-based machine translation (other mentors may
>> correct me as I may have missed something).
>>
>> What would be the impact of having this tool in improving the language
>> resources currently used in Apertium? How would it improve Apertium to
>> be used as a machine translation system or a better language
>> processor?
> Here are my thoughts:
>
> 1) The standardised annotated corpora available through the UD project
>      could be immensely useful to training the disambiguation component
>      of Apertium.
You bet. But full dependency trees are not needed for disambiguation 
purposes. The statistical (HMM, sliding-window) PoS taggers do not need 
such richly-annotated corpora.
>
> 2) Our current annotatrix tool is functional, but in practice we are
>      unlikely to get many people doing Apertium-specific annotation. Thus
>      if we want to be able to train (e.g. the tagger) we should get a
> "cheaper ride"
>      by using what is already there and free.
If I understood correctly, getting people to do a more general-purpose 
annotation (such as dependency syntactic annotation) would be easier and 
we could get what we need in Apertium as a side product.

If this is the case, this should be clearer in the proposal.
>
> 3) In the Turkic languages we are already doing a lot of annotation,
> which has
>      been used for different purposes and there are efforts for other
> languages too:
>
>      $ find /home/fran/source/apertium/ -name '*.conllu' | wc -l
>      23
How much of this is actually being used for MT for these Turkic 
languages? As far as I know, most of these languages rely heavily on CG. 
Is there an existing reliable tool or method to  extract CG rules from 
dependency annotation?
>
> 4) We have previously done projects (like the HFST project) which have
>      immensely helped Apertium, although they weren't specifically working
>      on Apertium core code.
But HFST processors were direct replacements for lttoolbox-based 
morphological processors. The analogy is weak.
>
> 5) If the project is selected it will be good publicity for Apertium in
> another
>      community that is seriously concerned about linguistic diversity and
>      creating free/open-source linguistic resources.
I agree.
>
> That said, it isn't a 100% Apertium project, but I think mentors should
> "rank with their conscience" in this case.
I am not sure what is meant by this. Is there any doubt that we will? 
Apertium has a wide mentor base with very diverse interests, which may 
not all pull always in the same direction!

Mikel
>
> Fran
>
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