Hello all,
I would like to become a mentor for this years GCI which I guess we are
participating.
I Have worked on "Automatic blank handling" under Unhammer in GSoC'17, and
have a good idea about the workflow of Apertium packages.
Please let me know the procedure/steps for the same.
Regards,
Vinay Singh
IRC NicK: SilentFlame
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> 1. Re: about inconsistencies in documentation for crossdics
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> 2. GCI (Francis Tyers)
> 3. Re: GCI (Vinit Ravishankar)
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> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 14:32:25 +0100
> From: "Jim O'Regan" <jore...@gmail.com>
> To: apertium-stuff <apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] about inconsistencies in documentation
> for crossdics
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> On 3 October 2017 at 22:21, Lorenza Russo <lorenzaru...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am writing to bring to your attention some inconsistencies I have
> found in
> > some pages about cross dix.
> >
> > It's the first time that I do cross dics, so I followed the examples I
> found
> > on the wiki platform, and thanks also to the error messages I got from
> the
> > program, I could spot two kind of inconsistencies:
> >
> > 1) typos/wrong information in the examples given;
> > 2) typos/wrong information in the explanations given.
> >
>
> Well, yes and no. There are inaccuracies, but for the most part, they
> are not the things you mention.
>
> > If something it's not clear, please don't hesitate to let me know. If I
> am
> > wrong about some of my remarks, sorry for this spam. As I said, I am
> > learning by doing.
> >
> > Let's start with the files given as examples:
> >
> > a) The "Example of LRD" at this page:
> > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Linguistic_Resources_Document (all the way
> > down the page) seems to be an example for creating English-Spanish
> > dictionaries by crossing English-Catalan and Catalan-Spanish. I couldn?t
> > find (in trunk, at least) any Catalan-Spanish but I don't know if the
> couple
> > of language being in trunk is something needed for the example to be
> > efficient. For the rest:
>
> The pair is Spanish-Catalan; in this case, dixtools reverses the
> Spanish-Catalan bilingual dictionary. Using an LRD is supposed to let
> dixtools figure out what to do itself; I'm not sure if the cross-dics
> tool actually works with an LRD, though.
>
> >
> > 1) at line 19 and at line 30, the cross model should be
> > "cross-model-en-ca-es.xml" instead of "cross-model-es-ca-en.xml"
>
> It doesn't really matter what this is called, it's just a name.
>
> > 2) I am not 100% sure here, but maybe the order of the morphological
> > dictionaries should be inverted, first the morphological dictionary for
> > English and then the one for Spanish
>
> The order of the morphological dictionaries shouldn't matter.
>
> > 3) the bilingual dictionary starting from line 67 should be rewritten
> > inverting the order of the languages. Now it is like this:
> > <property name="name" value="apertium-es-ca"/>
> > <property name="type" value="bil"/>
> > <property name="sl" value="es"/>
> > <property name="tl" value="ca"/>
> > <property name="for-crossing" value="yes"/>
> > <property name="src" value="apertium-es-ca.es-ca.dix"/>
> > <property name="version" value="stable"/>
> > but it should be
> > <property name="name" value="apertium-ca-es"/>
> > <property name="type" value="bil"/>
> > <property name="sl" value="ca"/>
> > <property name="tl" value="es"/>
> > <property name="for-crossing" value="yes"/>
> > <property name="src" value="apertium-ca-es.ca-es.dix"/>
> > <property name="version" value="stable"/>
> >
>
> No: the bilingual dictionary in the apertium-es-ca package is
> apertium-es-ca.es-ca.dix, not apertium-ca-es.ca-es.dix. The provided
> values are correct here.
>
> >
> > b) Let's consider now the example available here:
> > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Crossdics_Example for creating
> > English-Galician by crossing English-Spanish and Spanish-Galician (see
> the
> > example of en-es-gl-ling-resources.xml almost at the end of the page):
> >
> > 1) the morphological dictionary at line 38, should be
> > "apertium-en-es.es.metadix" and not "apertium-en-es.en.metadix"
> >
>
> You mean, in this section?
>
> <!-- 'en' morphological dictionary -->
> <resource>
> <property name="name" value="apertium-en"/>
> <property name="type" value="mon"/>
> <property name="sl" value="en"/>
> <property name="for-crossing" value="yes"/>
> <property name="src" value="apertium-en-es.en.metadix"/>
> </resource>
>
> This is describing the 'en' morphological dictionary, it absolutely
> should not be "apertium-en-es.es.metadix" (which, as it happens, does
> not exist).
>
> The idea seems to have been to trim the source and target monolingual
> dictionaries to remove monolingual entries that did not have
> corresponding bilingual entries in the crossed dictionary; this has
> never worked in my experience, but even if it did, there would be no
> use for the Spanish monolingual dictionary, as it is the pivot
> language in this example.
>
> > As for the inconsistencies about the explanations given, I found the
> > following ones:
> >
> >
> > 1) at the page http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Crossdics_Example in
> section
> > "What you need" and then "Dictionaries" there is a typo for the
> > Morphological dix A: now it's
> >
> > Morphological A: apertium-en-es.en.dix
> > but I think it should be
> > Morphological A: apertium-en-es.es.dix
>
> There is an error, but it's that the filename ought to be
> apertium-en-es.en.metadix - there is no file named
> "apertium-en-es.en.dix". I've corrected this.
>
> > 2) at the page http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Crossdics in section
> "Without a
> > linguistic resources document", the scheme for the dix is inverted. Now
> it's
> >
> > Bilingual dictionary A-B: apertium-bb-aa.bb-aa.dix
> > Morphological dictionary A: apertium-bb-aa.aa.dix
> >
> > but to be aligned to what it's written in other pages it should be
> >
> > Bilingual dictionary A-B: apertium-aa-bb.aa-bb.dix
> > Morphological dictionary A: apertium-aa-bb.bb.dix
>
> Ok, the model, as given, was incorrect:
>
> Bilingual dictionary A-B: apertium-bb-aa.bb-aa.dix
> Bilingual dictionary B-C: apertium-bb-cc.bb-cc.dix
> Morphological dictionary A: apertium-bb-aa.aa.dix
> Morphological dictionary C: apertium-bb-cc.cc.dix
>
> I've corrected it to say B-A, not A-B. The reason is given a little
> lower on the page: 'the common language (B) must be in the left side,
> that is, dictionaries in the form B-A and B-C'
>
> If it happens that your bilingual dictionaries don't follow this
> model: if you have A-B or C-B or both, you can follow the instruction
> on the next line: 'use "-r" instead of "-n" if the dictionary has to
> be reversed (apertium-aa-bb.aa-bb.dix to apertium-bb-aa.bb-aa.dix)'
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:50:54 +0200
> From: Francis Tyers <fty...@prompsit.com>
> To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Apertium-stuff] GCI
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> Hi all,
>
> Are we planning to apply to GCI this year ? If so, it would
> be really great to go through the page:
>
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Task_ideas_for_Google_Code-in
>
> and cleanup the tasks and add mentors for them. The last
> time the page was editted was the 4th September 2017?. GCI is
> a lot of work, so I understand if we don't want to apply, but
> if we do want to apply I suggest we get more active and quickly.
> The application opens on Monday.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 13:15:35 +0200
> From: Vinit Ravishankar <vinit.ravishan...@gmail.com>
> To: "apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net"
> <apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] GCI
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> To add to this - there is also a spreadsheet here: http://bit.ly/2g0pcbQ
>
> Feel free to add tasks to either place (though the wiki would make things a
> lot simpler of course).
>
> ? V
> ?
>
> On 7 October 2017 at 10:50, Francis Tyers <fty...@prompsit.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Are we planning to apply to GCI this year ? If so, it would
> > be really great to go through the page:
> >
> > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Task_ideas_for_Google_Code-in
> >
> > and cleanup the tasks and add mentors for them. The last
> > time the page was editted was the 4th September 2017?. GCI is
> > a lot of work, so I understand if we don't want to apply, but
> > if we do want to apply I suggest we get more active and quickly.
> > The application opens on Monday.
> >
> > Fran
> >
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