first of all. Where in my reply did I say I thought our forefathers were dum. I think you better read deeper into the matter of a constitutional convention.
--- On Sat, 12/13/08, richsl...@gmail.com <richsl...@gmail.com> wrote: From: richsl...@gmail.com <richsl...@gmail.com> Subject: [APFN] Re: Fwd: **Slick_eZine** RE: U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention To: ppenderg...@truthamerica.org Cc: slickm...@jiglu.com, englishbasedpoliticaltrait...@yahoogroups.com, APFN@googlegroups.com, armchair-polit...@googlegroups.com, slickm...@spunge.org, usattac...@topica.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:29 PM Patrick, What you don't understand is: a Constitutional Convention cannot pass anything. Nothing. Secondly, attendees are chosen at the state level, not in the unconstitutional 10 miles square Capitol. Third, nothing will become effective until 3/4 of the states ratify what the Con Con thought was a good idea And finally, this is the way our Founding Fathers designed it. They weren't as dumb as you seem to think. Rich Martin On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Patrick-James ..Pendergast <ppenderg...@truthamerica.org> wrote: > What you people don't understand that if there is a Constitutional > Convention, it opens up the whole Constitution to be rewritten not just add > a certain part. There are enough liers, cheats, theeves, socialists, and > communists in washington, d.c. to make sure we do not get the convention you > want but what they give you. These people are not like our forefathers. > They are the enemy. Again I say to you, the only way to win this is to take > up arms against these socialists and communists. Not to change the > Constitution or form of government, but to cut out the cancer that has > infiltrated our government. > Without Prejudice UCC 1-207 > Patrick-J..Pendergast > On Sat, 12/13/08, richsl...@gmail.com <richsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: richsl...@gmail.com <richsl...@gmail.com> > Subject: [APFN] Fwd: **Slick_eZine** RE: U.S. Two States Away from > Constitutional Convention > To: slickm...@jiglu.com, englishbasedpoliticaltrait...@yahoogroups.com, > APFN@googlegroups.com, armchair-polit...@googlegroups.com, > slickm...@spunge.org, usattac...@topica.com > Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 5:44 PM > > RE: U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention > Rick, what constitution? You mean the one that they trampled to death > and no longer defends the border or provides US any protection from > govt? > IMHO, a ConCon may be the last legal opportunity to get this nation > back on course. What do we have to look forward to, Amnesty, Abortion, > Gun Confiscation, socialist medicine, global warming myth, higher > taxes, gay marriage, rigged elections, a censored news media, NAU, the > Amero and national bankruptcy, not necessarily in that order? How much > more money are we going to throw to the unions to make the teachers do > a better job or US made autos more competitive? > If there's no Article V convention, aka Concon, what other choices do > we have that do not include violence? Any? There's 20,000 troops > amassing as we write, just in case. > Our constitutional rights have been trashed and now they are working > on our inalienable rights. > THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD > Rich Martin > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:42 AM, RJ <rebelfir...@gmail.com> wrote: >> U.S. Two States Away from Constitutional Convention >> >> Link to Joint Resolution in Ohio Legislature: >> http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/res.cfm?ID=127_HJR_8 >> >> >> >> This is the most urgent, most important action alert the American Policy >> Center has ever issued! The Ohio state legislature is expected to vote as >> early as Dec. 10th, to call for a Constitutional Convention (Con Con). If >> Ohio calls for a Con Con only one more state need do so and Congress will >> have no choice but to convene a Convention, throwing our U.S. Constitution >> and Bill of Rights up for grabs. Ohio's vote today poses a grave > threat to >> the U.S. Constitution. Please immediately call the Ohio lawmakers listed >> below. ACT FAST - time is of the essence! >> >> I apologize! This malignancy most foul remained undetected by our radar >> until a good friend brought it to our attention yesterday. The hour is > late, >> but WE MUST TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION! >> >> It does not matter where you live. Ohio's vote today endangers > everyone in >> every state in the Union, so we must pressure Ohio lawmakers to discard > this >> disastrous legislative effort. >> >> Thirty-two (32) other states have already called for a Con Con (allegedly > to >> add a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution). 34 states are all > that >> is required, and then Congress MUST convene a Convention. >> >> The U.S. Constitution places no restriction on the purposes for which the >> states can call for a Convention. If Ohio votes to call a Con Con, for >> whatever purpose, the United States will be only one state away from total >> destruction. And it's a safe bet that those who hate this nation, and > all >> She stands for, are waiting to pounce upon this opportunity to re-write > our >> Constitution. We dare slumber no longer; we must take immediate action to >> preserve this nation! >> >> Certainly all loyal Americans want government constrained by a balanced >> budget. But calling a Con Con risks a revolutionary change in our form of >> government. The ultimate outcome will likely be a new constitution; one > that >> would possibly eliminate the Article 1 restriction to the coinage of real >> money or even eliminate gun or property rights. So what may look like a > good >> idea to the legislators driving this effort - all Republicans - will >> certainly make them prey to the law of unintended consequences - at the > very >> least insuring the U.S. will never have a balanced budget - while > destroying >> what vestiges of liberty the government still allows. >> >> You may have heard that some of those 32 states have voted to rescind > their >> calls. This is true. However, under Article V of the Constitution, > Congress >> must call a Constitutional Convention whenever 2/3 (or 34) of the states >> apply. The Constitution makes no provision for rescission. We've been > told >> advocates of the convention are waiting to capture just two more states - >> Ohio, and one other. They can then challenge the other states' > rescissions >> in the courts while going ahead with the Convention. Congress alone then >> decides whether state legislatures or state conventions ratify proposed >> amendments. >> >> You may have heard the states can control the subject of any convention. > In >> truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope > or >> outcome of a Convention! >> >> Once a Convention is called Congress determines how the delegates to the >> Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess > more >> power than the U.S. Congress itself; if it were not so they would not be >> able to change the U.S. Constitution! >> >> We have not had a Constitutional Convention since 1787. That Convention > was >> called to make small changes in the Articles of Confederation. As a point > of >> fact, several states first passed resolutions requiring their delegates >> discuss amendments to the Articles ONLY, forbidding even discussion of >> foundational changes. However, following the delegates' first > agreement that >> their meetings be in secret, their second act was to agree to debate those >> state restrictions and to declare the Articles of Confederation NULL AND >> VOID! They also changed the ratification process, reducing the required >> states' approval from 100% to 75%. There is no reason to believe a >> contemporary Con Con wouldn't further "modify" Article V > restrictions to >> suit its purpose. >> >> As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said in a letter written to Phyllis >> Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum: >> "...there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a >> Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set >> its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one > amendment >> or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would >> obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the >> convention if we don't like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored > the >> limit placed by the confederation Congress..." (emphasis mine) >> >> We were blessed in 1787; the Con Con delegates were the leaders of a > freedom >> movement that had just cleansed this land of tyranny. >> >> Today's corrupt politicians and judges would like nothing better than > the >> ability to legally ignore the Constitution - to modify its > "problematic" >> provisions to reflect the philosophical and socials mores of our >> contemporary society. >> >> The majority of U.S. voters just elected a dedicated leftist as President. >> Republicans are at their weakest right now! This is a horrible time to try >> such a crazy scheme. We cannot control the debate right now! Don't for > one >> second doubt that delegates to a Con Con wouldn't revise the 1st > Amendment >> into a government-controlled privilege, replace the 2nd Amendment with a >> "collective" right to self-defense, and abolish the 4th, 5th, > and 10th >> Amendments, and the rest of the Bill of Rights. Additions could include > the >> non-existent Separation of Church and State, the "right" to > abortion and >> euthanasia, and much, much more. >> >> Our uniquely and purely American concept of individual rights, endowed by >> our Creator, would be quickly set aside as an anachronistic relic of a >> bygone era; replaced by new "collective" rights, awarded and > enforced by >> government for the "common good". >> >> The problems our nation faces are not a result of deficiencies in our >> Constitution; rather, they are the direct result of our disregard for that >> divinely-inspired document of liberty. >> >> There is no challenge faced by this nation that cannot be solved either by >> enforcing existing law, or in limited cases, by writing new law. We do not >> need, AND MUST NOT RISK THE LIBERTY OF THE UNITED STATES with, a >> Constitutional Convention! >> >> Ohio must not vote for a Con Con! We cannot control the debate! And state >> #34 is likely sitting silently in the wings, ready to act with lightning >> speed, sealing the fate of our once great nation before we can prevent it. >> >> Stop the Ohio bill and we can stop the Constitutional Convention. >> >> ACTION TO TAKE >> >> We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis >> Blessing, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate > bill >> too). >> >> 1. Call Chairman Blessing's office and tell his staff you oppose a >> Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped. >> >> Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a >> convention. >> >> Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con. >> >> Representative Louis Blessing >> Phone: (614) 466-9091 >> Fax: (614) 719-3583 >> Email: distric...@ohr.state.oh.us >> >> 2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I've > known >> him for years. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is >> wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can > kill >> this bill. >> >> Representative Bill Batchelder >> Phone: (614) 466-8140 >> Fax: (614) 719-3969 >> Email: distric...@ohr.state.oh.us >> >> 3. It is URGENT that you make your calls right now. The bill could be > voted >> on as early as this afternoon (Wednesday). >> >> I'm so sorry for this late notice. We just found out about this last > night. >> >> Please get this message out far and wide. This task requires our very best >> effort! E-mail and call your friends, family and neighbors. Network > anywhere >> and everywhere possible. If you know someone who never takes action, >> encourage them to break that habit this one time. Our Constitution is > under >> assault! >> >> Visit the American Policy Center website >> >> SEND THIS MESSAGE TO AT LEAST TEN MORE PEOPLE! APC is now offering you a >> quick and easy way to multiply your efforts and help win more battles! >> Simply click here to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your >> friends! It's fast, it's easy and most of all, it's extremely > effective in >> KILLING OPPRESSIVE POLICIES! >> >> -- >> ___________________________________ >> Rick Johnson >> http://oldsarges.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.myspace.com/rebelfire77 >> ccnv-subscr...@groups.google.com >> http://www.kutsalkitap.com/?p=0&l=1 >> http://www.truthformuslims.com/listen.htm >> http://www.sc-20062.com >> >> >> >> Founder Samuel Adams noted, >> "It does not take a majority to prevail ... >> but rather an irate, tireless minority, >> keen on setting brushfires of freedom >> in the minds of men." We know you >> are one of the "tireless minority" >> of conservative activists, and we >> thank you for your vigilance. >> >> Somewhere in Kenya >> a village is missing their idiot. >> >> > >> > -- > This is the incredibly uncreditable election. Rich Martin > I'M MAD, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > With ACORN, La Raza, and Ohio Dem officials sitting on 20,000 suspect > voter registrations and other Dept heads releasing Joe the Plumber's > confidential information, this has been an incredibly, uncreditable > election. > Hope you didn't waste your time and gas to stand in line at one of > their polling places hoping the electoral system isn't a fraud. > Rich Martin > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- This is the incredibly uncreditable election. 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