I don't have a whole lot of choice, I promised my wife I would only use the 
space while she wasn't using it.  She's going to replant soon since it is 
Spring.  Also, the trees already started out poking out of the cage a bit, a 
year's growth will exceed the size of the cage.

When I moved those trees originally, I considered them lost.  So if any survive 
the move back to the orchard, that's a gain.  I have some vitamin-B hopefully 
that will reduce the shock.

So since the "ball" has roots on the underside, can I still consider them size 
controlled by the rootstock?  Everything I have read says "don't let the scion 
root.  Reason: you'll lose the size controlling nature of the rootstock" the 
scion has not rooted.  Also read, "after settling, mound the dirt up to just 
under the ball" i.e. "keep the ball out of the dirt".  But no reason why is 
given that I have found, could be merely a buffer zone between the dirt and 
scion.  What is the reason to keep the ball out of the dirt?  What is the 
implication of roots coming from the ball (underside)?  Can I just clip them 
like any rootsucker?  If I've lost the size controlling nature of the rootstock 
I don't want those two trees on the trellis.  If I still have the size 
controlling nature of the rootstock, I don't want to plant them on their own 
and have to stake them,  I would rather train them back on the trellis.

Thanks for your reading.

Rye Hefley
Future Farmers Marketer
So. Cal.


Re: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt

Tommy and Sandy
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:35:23 -0700

Dear sir,
It has been my bad experience to move any trees that already have leaves 
extended.  They need to be dormant to move them without much shock.
Tommy Bruguiere
Dickie Bros. Orchard
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rye 
  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:38 PM
  Subject: [apple-crop] Two trees with bud union under dirt


  I have two trees (planted last year) where the bud union was under dirt.  The 
underside of the "ball" has roots, the scion itself does not.  Are there any 
implications?

  I had moved some trees into my wife's caged raised bed garden last fall 
because they were dying due to gophers eating too much root.  I didn't pay 
enough attention to them over the winter and two settled low where the ball and 
some scion were buried.  

  Most of the trees, including those two, recovered and are starting to sprout 
healthy leaves.  I am soon going to transplant them back into the orchard.  
With roots on the underside of the ball are there any concerns about losing the 
size controlling nature of the rootstock?  Again, the scions did not root.  The 
answer to that question will dictate whether I put those two back on the 
trellis or free standing in the periphery.



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