Hi David,

Harvey Reissig did a study on the efficacy of some of the newer products 
against apple maggot, and published it some years ago:

Reissig, W. Harvey.  2003.  Field and Laboratory Tests of New Insecticides 
Against the Apple Maggot, Rhagoletis pomonella (Walsh) (Diptera: Tephritidae).  
 Journal of Economic Entomology 96 (5): 1463-1472 — I will send you a pdf of it 
in a separate email.

However, his general findings were that there are no new insecticides that are 
as effective in controlling AM as the organophosphates, particularly in “high 
pressure situations”.  It is also true that most of the new materials are not 
as directly toxic to the flies as the OPs, and the efficacy of many these new 
materials appears to be due to their ability to prevent flies from ovipositing 
as long as they are in contact with their residues.  We really don’t know the 
mechanism of this mode of action, but in many laboratory bioassays the flies 
will not lay eggs on treated apples, although they remain alive.  So far, we 
would say that in most normal US orchards, which are presumed to be initially 
free from internal AM infestations and are not near abandoned orchards and 
other large sources of unsprayed host trees, we have not seen control failures 
or even increased damage in orchards that are not treated with 
organophosphates, although AM catches in monitoring traps placed along the 
edges of these orchards appears to be higher than when they were sprayed with 
organophosphates.

As far as efficacy, Calypso is definitely the most effective of the new 
insecticides, followed by Assail.  Delegate and Altacor also have some 
activity, but would probably not provide control in orchards with internal 
infestations or those that are near heavy unsprayed sources of infestations.

Art

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Thank you for that, Peter.

I suppose that if the systemic activity of neonics is sufficient to kill Apple 
Maggot eggs or larvae during a (two week?) period after application,
and  up to 2 inches rainfall, they could be expected to be as good as Imidan or 
Guthion, regardless of whether the adults are killed by fruit or foliar contact.
Or, perhaps female flies are killed by ovipositor contact with systemic neonic 
during egg insertion?  My guess is that such studies have not been made.

David Kollas

On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Peter J. Jentsch wrote:

Hi David,

John Wise, Michigan State University, Department of Entomology, wrote a very 
nice piece on the 'Rainfast characteristics of fruit crop insecticides'  that 
might help to answer these questions. It was posted on June 3, 2013.

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/rainfast_characteristics_of_fruit_crop_insecticides

All the best,


Peter J. Jentsch
Senior Extension Associate - Entomology
Department of Entomology
Cornell University’s Hudson Valley  Lab
P.O. Box 727, 3357 Rt. 9W
Highland, NY 12528

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All:
Surely others know the answer to this question. I must have missed it 
somewhere.  Does the systemic activity of
absorbed neonicotinoid sprays Assail and Calypso replace the surface residual 
that continues to kill Apple Maggot flies
entering an Imidan or Guthion-treated orchard days after the application?  Do 
the neonics provide residual control only by
systemic tissue-presence which the insect must consume?  Or do Apple Maggot 
flies get enough active ingredient through
their "feet" to kill them on days-old neonic treatments?
The question is relevant in choosing whether, and what pesticide to apply prior 
to forecast thunderstorms that can
remove surface residues.

David Kollas
Kollas Orchard, Tolland, CT

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