I'm forwarding this with Bob's permission, as a response to the edits he
requested in WGLC. I shall incorporate changes in the revision we are now
preparing (-07).

Gorry

>
> At 14:37 23/07/2014, [email protected] wrote:
>>Thanks for the careful read. These are all OK. I'll add them to rev -07
>>within a week or so.
>>
>>I'd like to take these as proposed resolutions to the WGLC comments. With
>>this in mind, can I copy this email to the list Bob?
>>
>>Gorry
>>
>> > Gorry, Fred,
>> >
>> > Thank you v much for the new intro. You've done a great job.
>> > Now that it's not tied to the structure of 2309, it is much much
>> > easier to understand.
>> >
>> > Below are nitty things I've noticed in the new introductory sections
>> > (up to section 3). Nothing controversial. I haven't cc'd to list, so
>> > you can choose to ignore these (given WG last call has passed), but
>> > you'll probably want to fix them - I've suggested text in each case.
>> >
>> > 1. Intro
>> > s/for a variety traffic of traffic/
>> >   /for a variety of traffic/
>> >
>> > s/ In the current Internet and low latency/
>> >   / In the current Internet low latency/
>> >
>> > Section 1.1
>> >          "congestion signals (i.e., marked or dropped packets) "
>> > The concept of ECN marking has not been introduced yet. How about:
>> >          "congestion signals (i.e., packets that are dropped or
>> > marked with explicit congestion notification [RFC3168])
>> >
>> > Section 2.
>> > s/ The solution to the full-queues problem is for network
>> >     devices to drop packets before a queue becomes full,/
>> >   /The solution to the full-queues problem is for network
>> >     devices to drop or ECN-mark packets before a queue becomes full,/
>> >
>> > s/By dropping packets before buffers overflow,
>> >     AQM allows network devices to control when and how many packets to
>> >     drop./
>> >   /By dropping or ECN-marking packets before buffers overflow,
>> >     AQM allows network devices to control when and how many packets to
>> >     drop./
>> >
>> > Section 2.1
>> > "  AQM
>> >     mechanisms need to control the overall queue sizes, to ensure that
>> >     arriving bursts can be accommodated without dropping packets.  AQM
>> >     should also be used to control the queue size for each individual
>> >     flow or class,
>> > "
>> > s/AQM mechanisms need to control the overall/
>> >   /AQM mechanisms might need to control the overall/
>> >
>> > Rationale:
>> > This implies AQM is needed for the overall queue, and for each
>> > individual class. Is the former actually known to be true? If not, I
>> > don't believe this should be stated with such certainty.
>> >
>>Fred are you OK with this?
>>
>> > Section 3.
>> > "   It is convenient to divide flows into three classes: (1) TCP
>> Friendly
>> >     flows, (2) unresponsive flows, i.e., flows that do not slow down
>> when
>> >     congestion occurs, and (3) flows that are responsive but are not
>> TCP-
>> >     friendly.
>> > "
>> > The names of the 3 categories and their later definitions could be
>> > understood by the reader as points on the spectrum, not the regions
>> > between the points.
>> > The subsequent section headings need to be disambiguated too.
>> >
>> > "congestive collapse [RFC2309]."
>> > You're referring to an RFC that you are obsoleting!
>> >
>> > s/congestion control in the application [RFC5405]./
>> >   /congestion control in the application [RFC5405], [RFC6679].
>> >
>> > s/granugranularity/
>> >   /granularity/
>> >
>> > I'd like to suggest an item 5) for the list of granularities:
>> >   5) a class per site (enterprise or residential).
>> > We never use a granularity lower than this as a carrier, other than
>> > in the home gateway.
>> >
>>I'd also be Ok with this.
>>
>> > But this last one is probably beyond a nit, so you can ignore it at
>> this
>> > stage.
>> >
>> >
>> > That's it. HTH
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>>Gorry
>>
>> > At 10:58 02/07/2014, Gorry Fairhurst wrote:
>> >>To keep things clear, we published a new revision of the AQM
>> >>recommendations (-06) after the conference call for which Richard sent
>> >> notes.
>> >>
>> >>Our hope is that this provides a firm basis for any further
>> >>discussion. The editors are asking the group to read this and note any
>> >> errors.
>> >>
>> >>There remains some on-going discussion about whether this now should
>> >>move RFC2309 to Historic, or not. This issue needs to be resolved
>> >>before we finalize the introduction. Let's hope we can conclude this
>> >> soon.
>> >>
>> >>Best wishes,
>> >>
>> >>Gorry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 01/07/2014 10:15, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> >>>directories.
>> >>>   This draft is a work item of the Active Queue Management and
>> >>> Packet Scheduling Working Group of the IETF.
>> >>>
>> >>>          Title           : IETF Recommendations Regarding Active
>> >>> Queue Management
>> >>>          Authors         : Fred Baker
>> >>>                            Godred Fairhurst
>> >>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation-06.txt
>> >>>         Pages           : 27
>> >>>         Date            : 2014-07-01
>> >>>
>> >>>Abstract:
>> >>>     This memo presents recommendations to the Internet community
>> >>>     concerning measures to improve and preserve Internet
>> performance.
>> >>> It
>> >>>     presents a strong recommendation for testing, standardization,
>> and
>> >>>     widespread deployment of active queue management (AQM) in
>> network
>> >>>     devices, to improve the performance of today's Internet.  It
>> also
>> >>>     urges a concerted effort of research, measurement, and ultimate
>> >>>     deployment of AQM mechanisms to protect the Internet from flows
>> >>> that
>> >>>     are not sufficiently responsive to congestion notification.
>> >>>
>> >>>     The note largely repeats the recommendations of RFC 2309,
>> updated
>> >>>     after fifteen years of experience and new research.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> >>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation/
>> >>>
>> >>>There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> >>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation-06
>> >>>
>> >>>A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> >>>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation-06
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> >>> submission
>> >>>until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>> >>>
>> >>>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> >>>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>> >>>
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>> > Bob Briscoe,                                                  BT
>> >
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> Bob Briscoe,                                                  BT
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