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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:43:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: binary kermit downloads...

On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, ANDY wrote:

>  I am trying to download a binary file using kermit from a unix server
> while logged into it in a shell session via telnet...

  I've never heard of that.  Kermit, AFAIK, is a protocol 
for downloading over a dialup connection.
 
>  I am using a win3.11 telnet client(QVT/Term) to shell into my ISP's unix
> server... so far so good until now where/when I want to download/upload a
> binary file...
> 
>  In my telnet client(QVT/Term) I can go into Kermit Transfer Mode with a
> "test" or "binary" option along a "directory" entry box(which default is
> my directory where my telnet client(QVT/Term) is on *my*(Win3.11) machine),
> a "file" entry box, a "bytes" entry box and a "message" entry box as well
> as a "disconnect" or "Shutdown" option... how are these options used in a
> zmodem/xmodem/ymodem unix telnet upload/download session??

  As a rule, z, y, and xmodem are also protocols for 
file transfer over a dialup connection.  However, I am aware 
of at least one client that can do x,y,zmodem over telnet. 
  It's called ztelnet, and is for 'nix machines.

>  my question is this: how do I download using this Kermit from my ISP's
> unix server which I only know uses sx, sz and sy proto's/commands??

  Kermit is a totally unrelated to sz.  sz/rz do zmodem, 
ymodem and xmodem transfers only.
 
>  do I type sz -b at the unix prompt? then go into kermit transfer mode and
> wait? are zmodem, xmodem, ymodem compatible or can they be made compatible
> with kermit transfer mode??

  sz is able to send via x/y/zmodem.  It is not able to send 
Kermit.  Once sz is sending, your client must be able to 
invoke its own "rz" equivalent, which will save the file 
where you want it. 
  Over dialup, I always used Telix for doing kermit/x/y/z, 
but once Delphi went telnet access only, kermit ability went 
by the wayside, and I had only the option of ztelnet for 
downloading binaries from there.

  You could read the thread where this was discussed a few 
months ago:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00898.html

  The pertinent part (by Howard) is this:
"Zmodem-over-telnet is possible in DOS if you use a comm 
program that supports int14 or fossil on top of tcpport or 
rlfossil, but uploads may be a problem. I would recommend 
ftp for DOS if at all possible."

  That pretty much sums it up.  x/y/zmodem and Kermit are 
all transfer/error correction protocols designed in the 
era of dialup.  While it's *possible* to use them over 
tcp/ip, software to do so is rare.

-- 
Steve Ackman
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