It would be better, and thanks for pointing it out. I'm surprised it's not set 
up that way already.  I'll that as a ticket on bitbucket.  

Dennis should be getting back to you on setting up a time to chat via Skype.

Best,
Adam

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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Tobias Kohr wrote:

> OK that was it. Authority Files need to be encoded in ANSI/ASCII for Arches 
> to import them. Wouldn't it be better to use UTF-8?
>  
> Cheers,
> Tobias
>  
>  
>  
> 2014-04-01 17:48 GMT+02:00 Tobias Kohr <tobiask...@gmail.com 
> (mailto:tobiask...@gmail.com)>:
> > Adding this line
> >  
> > COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE.E55,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY 
> > DOCUMENT.csv,EH SOURCE DATA
> >  
> > to ENTITY_TYPE_X_ADOC.csv doesn't solve the problem. What does 
> > authoritydocconceptschemename refer to? The DB scheme?  
> >  
> > The Authority Files should be encoded in UTF-8 (on Linux), right? Does 
> > with/without BOM make a difference?
> > Notepad++ on Windows tells me that the Authority Files of the default cds 
> > package are encoded in ANSI, however, which surprises me.
> > I will try to see if the error is an encoding problem.
> >  
> > Best,
> > Tobias
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 2014-04-01 17:16 GMT+02:00 Adam Lodge <alo...@fargeo.com 
> > (mailto:alo...@fargeo.com)>:
> >  
> > > I'm not sure, but it's the first thing I'd try.  
> > > Adam
> > > On Apr 1, 2014 8:14 AM, "Tobias Kohr" <tobiask...@gmail.com 
> > > (mailto:tobiask...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > Adam,
> > > >  
> > > > alright, I was not aware of the existence of this file (using Arches 
> > > > v2). I guess we need include our newly defined entity type here. Is 
> > > > this the reason for the error?
> > > >  
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > -Tobias
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > 2014-04-01 17:02 GMT+02:00 Adam Lodge <alo...@fargeo.com 
> > > > (mailto:alo...@fargeo.com)>:
> > > > > Tobias,
> > > > >  
> > > > > No such thing as a stupid question.   
> > > > >  
> > > > > Assuming that you are running v2 of Arches, the file should exist in 
> > > > > this folder: source_data\concepts\authority_files , and its name is 
> > > > > actually ENTITY_TYPE_X_ADOC.csv  
> > > > >  
> > > > > If you're running an earlier version, just send me COMPONENT 
> > > > > CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV and we'll start there.
> > > > >  
> > > > > --  
> > > > > Adam Lodge
> > > > > Geospatial Systems Consultant
> > > > > Farallon Geographics
> > > > > 415.317.6625 (tel:415.317.6625)
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Tobias Kohr wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > I feel a little stupid asking this, but which file do you mean with 
> > > > > > ENTITY_TYPE_X_AUTHDOC.csv? (Perhaps already the solution to my 
> > > > > > problem?)  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Tobias
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:46:28 PM UTC+2, Adam Lodge wrote:
> > > > > > > Tobias,  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Could you send me a the COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY 
> > > > > > > DOCUMENT.CSV file and the ENTITY_TYPE_X_AUTHDOC.csv file?  With 
> > > > > > > those, I can probably tell you what the issue is.  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Adam  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > --  
> > > > > > > Adam Lodge
> > > > > > > Geospatial Systems Consultant
> > > > > > > Farallon Geographics
> > > > > > > 415.317.6625 (tel:415.317.6625)
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Tobias Kohr wrote:
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Hi Dennis, Koen, et al.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > we will have a closer look at the CIDOC extension and try to 
> > > > > > > > keep in mind that people have different interpretations for 
> > > > > > > > uncerainty.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Regarding the technical implementation we're encountering 
> > > > > > > > problems in step 3, running install_packages.sh 
> > > > > > > > (http://install_packages.sh) which throws the following error:
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > root@srv-i3-fundstellendb:/arches-web/archesproject/build# 
> > > > > > > > source install_packages.sh (http://install_packages.sh)
> > > > > > > > Install packages defined in settings.py
> > > > > > > > operation: install
> > > > > > > > ...||ABSOLUTE DATING METHOD AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.VALUES.CSV
> > > > > > > > ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHAEOLOGICAL COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (ARTIFACT) TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE (SITE) TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHAEOLOGICAL TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHES RESOURCE CROSS-REFERENCE RELATIONSHIP TYPE AUTHORITY 
> > > > > > > > DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHES RESOURCE CROSS-REFERENCE RELATIONSHIP TYPE AUTHORITY 
> > > > > > > > DOCUMENT.VALUES.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > ARCHITECTURAL TECHNIQUE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.CSV
> > > > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > > > > > >   File "../manage.py", line 28, in <module>
> > > > > > > >     execute_from_command_line(sys.argv)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 399, in execute_from_command_line
> > > > > > > >     utility.execute()
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 392, in execute
> > > > > > > >     self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 242, in run_from_argv
> > > > > > > >     self.execute(*args, **options.__dict__)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/virtualenv/ENV/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 285, in execute
> > > > > > > >     output = self.handle(*args, **options)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/build/management/commands/packages.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 47, in handle
> > > > > > > >     self.load_package(package)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/build/management/commands/packages.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 52, in load_package
> > > > > > > >     install(settings.ROOT_DIR)
> > > > > > > >   File "/arches-web/archesproject/packages/cdscert/setup.py", 
> > > > > > > > line 60, in install
> > > > > > > >     
> > > > > > > > authority_files.load_authority_files(package_settings.ROOT_DIR)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/packages/cdscert/install/authority_files.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 22, in load_authority_files
> > > > > > > >     load_authority_file(cursor, mapping_files_directory, 
> > > > > > > > file_name)
> > > > > > > >   File 
> > > > > > > > "/arches-web/archesproject/packages/cdscert/install/authority_files.py",
> > > > > > > >  line 63, in load_authority_file
> > > > > > > >     concepts.insert_concept(settings.DATA_CONCEPT_SCHEME, 
> > > > > > > > adoc_dict['PREFLABEL'], '', 'en-us', adoc_dict['CONCEPTID'])
> > > > > > > > KeyError: 'CONCEPTID'
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Our provisional Authority Files look like this:
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > - COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv
> > > > > > > > conceptid,PrefLabel,AltLabels,ParentConceptid,ConceptType,Provider
> > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_1,certain,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE 
> > > > > > > > AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_2,uncertain,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE 
> > > > > > > > AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_3,unknown,,COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE 
> > > > > > > > AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.csv,Index,i3mainz
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > - COMPONENT CERTAINTY TYPE AUTHORITY DOCUMENT.values.csv (do we 
> > > > > > > > need this one?)
> > > > > > > > conceptid,Value,ValueType,Provider  
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_1,1,sortorder,i3mainz
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_2,2,sortorder,i3mainz
> > > > > > > > COMPONENT_CERTAINTY_3,3,sortorder,i3mainz
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Can anybody tell us what's wrong with our conceptid? Does the 
> > > > > > > > authority_files.py search for the ID in any additional place, 
> > > > > > > > where we should reference it?
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Tobias
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > On Monday, March 31, 2014 11:22:27 PM UTC+2, Koen Van Daele 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > I just wanted to get back at what Dennis said at the 
> > > > > > > > > beginning of this thread. Im quite curious how you will get 
> > > > > > > > > people to agree on (un)certainty. If feels like a very 
> > > > > > > > > natural idea to talk and think about, but I haven't really 
> > > > > > > > > seen it function properly in practice.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > We once did an experiment where we had 10 people who were 
> > > > > > > > > used to entering data in our archaeological inventory system 
> > > > > > > > > enter the same site. We paired the archaeologists: one more 
> > > > > > > > > more experienced data entry person (a few years experience) 
> > > > > > > > > and one newbie (a few months), so they would be forced to 
> > > > > > > > > really think things through and discuss. In our database we 
> > > > > > > > > have a field for certain the data entry person is about the 
> > > > > > > > > location of the site, ie. about the polygon they might have 
> > > > > > > > > drawn on a map. This field only allowed 5 choices, ranging 
> > > > > > > > > from 1 (I'm sure it's exactly where it needs to be) to 5 (I 
> > > > > > > > > have no idea whatsoever where the site is). We had a very 
> > > > > > > > > detailed manual with examples of all these cases, what to use 
> > > > > > > > > when, ...  
> > > > > > > > > Final result of our experiment: every group had entered the 
> > > > > > > > > location with a different level of certainty. So, based on 
> > > > > > > > > the exact same information they had all drawn totally 
> > > > > > > > > different conclusions. And this was about something as simple 
> > > > > > > > > as the location of the site.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > So, I'm very curious about how you manage to prevent stuff 
> > > > > > > > > like this from happening.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > The other thing I wonder about: how does certainty affect 
> > > > > > > > > searching? Should a search for 'churches' only return sites 
> > > > > > > > > that have a certain "certainty" attached to the 
> > > > > > > > > interpretation? Are you working with sliding scale of 
> > > > > > > > > certainty (ie. we are 75% percent certain about this 
> > > > > > > > > statement) or a binary one (we're certain or uncertain)?  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,  
> > > > > > > > > Koen  
> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________  
> > > > > > > > > Van: arches...@googlegroups.com [arches...@googlegroups.com] 
> > > > > > > > > namens dwut...@fargeo.com [dwut...@fargeo.com]  
> > > > > > > > > Verzonden: donderdag 27 maart 2014 22:36  
> > > > > > > > > Aan: thomas....@gmail.com  
> > > > > > > > > CC: arches...@googlegroups.com  
> > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Arches] "uncertain information" in Arches  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Thomas,  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Good question!  You are quite correct that we haven’t tried 
> > > > > > > > > to include uncertainty in Arches.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > One reason is pretty basic: certainty is quite subjective 
> > > > > > > > > from person to person.  For example: most people agree that 
> > > > > > > > > the earth is spherical.  But a “flat-earther” may be very 
> > > > > > > > > certain that the earth is not a sphere, but is instead a 
> > > > > > > > > plane.  His certainty does not make him correct, it merely 
> > > > > > > > > states the degree to which he believes in his interpretation. 
> > > > > > > > >  Clearly, you can be very certain and very wrong at the same 
> > > > > > > > > time.  I guess my point is that in many cases “certainty” 
> > > > > > > > > says more about the person making the assertion than it does 
> > > > > > > > > about the thing being described.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > OK, all philosophy aside, one could easily extend any Arches 
> > > > > > > > > graph to include a “certainty node”.  Such a node could point 
> > > > > > > > > to a thesaurus (as many of the nodes in Arches already do), 
> > > > > > > > > allowing a user to select from a list of “uncertainty 
> > > > > > > > > levels”.  Really, any Arches graph could include a “certainty 
> > > > > > > > > node” under any entity that you might want to qualify (for 
> > > > > > > > > example, one certainty node for period and another certainty 
> > > > > > > > > node for heritage type).  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Really, the hard part is not in getting Arches to allow you 
> > > > > > > > > to add an “uncertainty level” to your cultural heritage data. 
> > > > > > > > >  Rather, the difficult thing is to decide how you’ll get 
> > > > > > > > > different people to agree on what constitutes certain vs. 
> > > > > > > > > uncertain interpretations of heritage.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Sorry that I can’t be any more helpful… However, I’m very 
> > > > > > > > > interested to hear how you will model uncertainty and how you 
> > > > > > > > > will get people to implement it consistently.  Please keep me 
> > > > > > > > > posted!  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Dennis  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2014, at 2:41, 
> > > > > > > > > thomas....@gmail.com<mailto:thomas....@gmail.com> wrote:  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > I have a question about conceptual modeling in CIDOC CRM, 
> > > > > > > > > maybe there is someone one the list who is able to provide 
> > > > > > > > > some guidance.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > As posted before, we are trying to integrate research data of 
> > > > > > > > > neolithic sites into Arches. Now, naturally a significant 
> > > > > > > > > part of this data has a level of "certainty" to which the 
> > > > > > > > > information is correct. e.g. a site can consist of some 
> > > > > > > > > features for certain (in this case modeled in the 
> > > > > > > > > Archaeological Heritage (Site).E27 - Component.E18 
> > > > > > > > > relationship) but if others exist is uncertain. We believe 
> > > > > > > > > this valuable information should not get lost (quite often 
> > > > > > > > > theory construction is based on such information).  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > For example it could be uncertain if an archaeological 
> > > > > > > > > feature is to be named "pit" or "ditch" - or if it exists at 
> > > > > > > > > all. Another example could be the questionable relationship 
> > > > > > > > > of a findspot to a certain archaeological period. To make it 
> > > > > > > > > even more difficult, different authors could have different 
> > > > > > > > > thoughts on that.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > As far as we can see, the expression of such "uncertainty" is 
> > > > > > > > > not covered by Arches yet. Is there a concept for the 
> > > > > > > > > integration of such data in the future? We are currently 
> > > > > > > > > thinking into potential solutions but are struggeling to find 
> > > > > > > > > adequate expressions for uncertain information in CIDOC.  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > thanks, Thomas  
> > > > > > > > >  
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