David, There are going to be lots of reasons why an ISP can't provide space to a downstream post run out, even when on paper they have space.
1) Space dedicated to another region 2) Cost Prohibitive for downstream due to cost recovery. 3) Forward looking project that fits within the 24 month window. I can see the conversation now. Downstream: I need a /24 of IP space Upstream: NO Downstream: Ok, I'm telling on you. Upstream: We didn't sign the contract, find someone else to provide service. In a primary market there are going to be "others". In a secondary market you will be out of luck. We can't wrap this policy in a complicated beat stick. If a company has a need for an initial allocation They are going to have to go to the transfer market. We should be able to give them the initial allocation without adding complexity. Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:26 PM To: Brandon Ross; Jo Rhett Cc: ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote: > >> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost >> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they >> can easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater) >> blocks which are becoming scarce. > > What kind of documentation are you looking for? I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream which confirms the upstream can't/won't provide them address space, for some reason other than they don't think the customer justifies additional address space. It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream has address space but won't provide it to the requester for what ever reason. I think it is reasonable to require some confirming documentation that the upstream is not providing address space. You can't just "say" your ISP is not providing it. However, if an ISP is saying you don't justify additional address space, then you shouldn't qualify for address space from ARIN under an exception like this. Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion between an ISP and a requester. Thanks. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: far...@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
