I am assuming that the change to correct the typo where I said /20 instead of /24 will still have the support of the community. This has been mentioned elsewhere during the discussion, but otherwise, yes, I agree with you and David.
Owen On Apr 30, 2014, at 11:22 AM, John Springer <sprin...@inlandnet.com> wrote: > The analysis by David is, in my opinion, correct. This policy proposal is > receiving what in my experience is an unprecedented amount of community > support, _AS_WRITTEN_. Changes to the text require support be reiterated, > which might be unwanted and harmful to the text speed of the process. Further > desired changes should be submitted separately to avoid interfering with the > momentum that has been generated. > > The community is speaking and the AC is listening. What I am hearing is get > busy and get 'er done. If the policy proposal can be supported as written, it > should be. Any changes to the text as written will have to be listened to and > responded to and cannot speed things up. > > I am _NOT_ saying do not dissent, only that the conversation that ensues will > take time. > > Not to put words in Marty's mouth, but that is how I interpret what he is > saying. > > John Springer > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, David Huberman wrote: > >> Derek, >> >> Marty can be a bit gruff - it's part of his charm :) He's actually trying >> very hard to help you achieve your goals. His observation you quoted is >> borne of wisdom of >> dealing with the policy process for many years. Some may agree, or may not >> agree. I happened to agree strongly with him. >> >> Owen's proposal, without modifications (or at least, not the one proposed so >> far), has the best chance of succeeding, and doing so quickly. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> /david >> David R Huberman >> Microsoft Corporation >> Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS) >> _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net <arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net> on behalf of >> Derek Calanchini <der...@cnets.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:13 PM >> To: arin-ppml@arin.net >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum >> Allocation/Assignment units to /24 >> Martin, >> You seem very negative about this, disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing >> is counter productive. Perhaps you could explain your concerns giving >> actual reasons, >> potential fallout, issues, etc in the hopes of making it better.... >> Best regards, >> Derek Calanchini >> Owner >> Creative Network Solutions >> Phone: 916-852-2890 >> Fax: 916-852-2899 >> "Adopt the metric system!" >> CNS LOGO >> On 4/29/2014 5:15 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: >> Owens change is simple and fast. Meddling beyond that is asking for trouble. >> It's a no op. Leave it alone. >> Bring that to the PPC at NANOG and this is dead. >> On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Jimmy Hess <mysi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: >> >> I support the proposed change as written. >> >> In addition, since Multihomed ISPs no longer have a different minimum >> allocation, I suggest removing the distinction between Multihomed >> and non-Multihomed ISPs: >> >> o 4.2.1.5 Delete the sentence that says "For multihomed ISPs...." >> Remove multi-homed distinction and requirements for initial >> allocations to ISPs. >> o Delete section 4.2.2.1 Standard or non-multihomed and >> subsections. >> >> o Rename section 4.2.2.2 to remove references to Multihomed >> >> Prepend "When requesting a /24, demonstrate the efficient >> utilization of a minimum contiguous or non-contiguous /27 (two /28s) >> from an upstream." >> >> [Regardless if multihomed or not] >> >> > Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 >> > >> > 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment >> units to >> > /24 >> > 2. Proposal Originator >> > a. name: Owen DeLong >> > b. email: o...@delong.com >> > c. telephone: 408-890-7992 >> > d. organization: Hurricane Electric >> > 3. Date: 29 April, 2014 >> > 4. Problem Statement: >> > >> > As we approach runout, more and more end users and smaller ISPs will >> be >> > unable to obtain space from their upstreams and will be seeking space >> from >> > ARIN. In order to meet these needs to the extent possible and to make >> policy >> > more fair to a broader range of the ARIN constituency, we should >> reduce the >> > minimum assignment and allocation units to /24 across the board. >> > >> > 5. Policy statement: >> > >> > Change the minimum allocation and assignment unit for all IPv4 single >> and >> > multi homed instances to /20. This would include: >> > >> > >> > 4.2.1.5 Change all occurrences of /20 and /22 to /24 >> > >> > 4.2.2.1.1 Change all occurrences of /20 to /24, and change 16 /24s to >> 1 /24. >> > Remove the example about 12 /24s. >> > >> > 4.3.2.1 Change both occurrences of /20 to /24 >> > >> > 4.9 Change /22 to /24 >> > >> > 4.9.1 Change all instances of /22 to /24. Remove the reference to 4 >> /24s. >> > >> > >> > 6. Comments: >> > a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate, possibly through board >> action. >> > b. 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