On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Elvis Velea <el...@velea.eu> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 05/06/14 03:10, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>> 
>> On 6/4/14, 5:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> It is, however, equally obvious that a sizable portion of the community, 
>>> not merely myself, does not want to eliminate the needs test. 
>> 
>> For the extremely limited version of "the community" which consists of "see 
>> existing policy" and "see the handful of people who participate on the 
>> PPML". Despite all the fee collection that has been spent on outreach, 
>> there's still just not that much representation.
>> 
>>> Currently, there is no actual proposal on the table for loosening them or 
>>> compromising. If there were one, I would address the merits of it as I saw 
>>> them. 
>> 
>> That's fair. I'm sure one will show up.
> 
> What about ARIN-2014-14?
> 
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_14.html

Yes, I have responded to that one with the suggestion of a test at /20 for a 
limited time as a reasonable compromise.

Once we learn whether that does indeed improve whois accuracy or not, whether 
ti does provide improvement or not and what harm it does, we are in a better 
position to evaluate further changes to the needs test. Opening the floodgates 
all the way to /16 to start with is still a really bad idea, IMHO.

Owen

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