On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM, David Huberman <david.huber...@microsoft.com> wrote: > or other RIRs, we have to turn to the market for our IP address needs. > We may choose to buy more than a 2 year supply, because it may make business > sense for us to do so. ARIN policy, however, only allows us to take the IP
> addresses we buy and transfer the portion which represents a 2 year need. > The rest will remain in the name of whoever sold the IP addresses to us. This is different from the WHOIS information merely being out of date due to neglect by the resource holder failing to update their contact information -- this falls under willful deception: intentionally deceiving the RIR about the usage of resources under its stewardship... Specifically: It is an intentional deception to agree to "transfer rights" between organizations -- outside the normal manner in which an ISP is allowed to allocate resources, and without following the required process or rules given by policy, Or also.... the act of agreeing to "report" a smaller amount as transferred, and proceeding as if the transfer was allowed, before requesting the transfer. And the deception, would clearly be intended to provide financial gain at the cost of the community (Obtaining resources earlier, and in larger number, than justified need requirements would allow). This would be no different than someone with a site-license for software writing up a contract to "sell" 100 of their product keys without notifying the software vendor, even though the licenses are only allowed to be transferred through the vendor. They are "just numbers"; however, the registry's right (through the community) to control the manner in which the numbers are distributed is vital to stewardship of the resources. A resource holder allowing a 3rd party to intentionally take full rights to the resources, while representing to the registry that the original holder is continuing to administer and use the resources would be fraudulent, and a serious threat to the RIR's capability to provide needs-based stewardship of the address space. In other words, the seller will have committed a fraud, by purporting to sell IP addresses, which neither the ARIN EULA / RSA, nor the RFC (for legacy holders) provided a way for anyone to do ("cannot sell what is not your property," the registration belongs to the registry and is subject to their rules), And the 8.3 application will also have been a material misrepresentation, and These are circumstances under which revokation of resources by ARIN or other RIRs might be appropriate. Any case where it can be shown an "agreement" to assign "rights" to IP addresses was made privately in a manner inconsistent with policy and not allowed by the RSA. -- -JH _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.