Speculators and hoarders could already be locking up space via contracts that aren't even transfers (yet)... And yet I haven't seen much of that going on either. In fact, offers to buy or lease (or any other contract regarding) space are coming in less often than a year ago, if anything.
Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) > On Sep 23, 2014, at 7:45 PM, David Huberman <david.huber...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > John wrote: > >> A transfer policy mechanism which allows receipt up to a limit based on >> current holdings provides far more certainty for those who wish to plan >> for the future, as they can go to market knowing precisely that limit. > > What is the virtue of a limit? > > It's not the prevention of speculation and hoarding. Those will always > happen outside the view of ARIN policy. Speculators and hoarders will > buy blocks on the open market and simply not engage ARIN because > there's no reason to. Contract law makes it trivial to ignore ARIN. > > It's not conservation - there is no such thing as conservation in IPv4. > 85% of the address space ARIN issued over the last 10 years went > to less than 20 companies. (At a significant penalty, I might add, to > the little guys and especially new entrants, who got screwed in ARIN > policy for 17 years.) > > Before anyone answers this, please ensure you're knowledgeable about > the IPv4 market today. I am. I characterize it as VERY robust. Tons of > supply, with new suppliers showing up every month. Outside of China, > prices are low; it's a buyer's market. There's no speculation that I can > find, short of a one-off speculator who is a well-known fraudster. There > is certainly hoarding by the larger companies, but ARIN policy today > isn't stopping that, and no policy passed here can stop that. Think about > that last sentence carefully. ARIN policy is powerless to stop hoarding. > > So how do we write policy that helps the non-big guys? By removing > artificial policy barriers that require lots of paperwork with ARIN beyond > simply, "I bought this /20 from this company, please update Whois". > > ARIN's job should simply be to verify the seller is the bona fide registrant, > and that the seller agrees to the transfer, and that the buyer signs an > RSA and pays whatever fees are necessary to cover the costs of the > transaction processing. > > Let's simplify ARIN processes, make ARIN policy fit the REALITY of > network operations in a post-exhaustion world, and move on with > talking about RPKI, DNSSEC, IPv6 and other actually important things > that will shape our future. > > David > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.