Gary, That resonates with me. I agree with you that obtaining IPv6 from the RIR needs to be a sure thing, not a risk, for any network operator who needs PI v6 to sanely build their network.
Do you have a general or any specific recommendation for capturing this in policy better than the current text does? David From: Gary T. Giesen [mailto:ggie...@giesen.me] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:55 AM To: David Huberman; 'John Curran' Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please don't me make do ULA + NAT66) David, I don’t necessarily disagree. Just trying to minimize the business risk of having to have virtually all of my customers qualify under e) with the risk of rejection because my use case isn’t specifically spelled out. And I realize perhaps my use case is a very small minority. But the barriers to adoption are real and if I can’t check a box and guarantee my customers get address space when they need it, they won’t adopt, plain and simple. Perhaps I’ll feel a bit better about it when I have a few 6.5.8.1e applications under my belt. GTG From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net> [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of David Huberman Sent: February-17-15 12:39 PM To: John Curran Cc: Gary T. Giesen; arin-ppml@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please don't me make do ULA + NAT66) Thank you John! So Gary: I understand your meta point. I am all for clarity and ease-of-use in the NRPM. As an AC member, I hope to drive the NRPM to more and more “easiness”. But (and perhaps I’m wrong), I feel that EU v6 policy is pretty needs-free and easy. You have 5 clauses to qualify under, and clause e) really is the ‘catch-all” bucket for “everything else”, including the case you brought up. Disagree? David R Huberman Microsoft Corporation Principal, Global IP Addressing From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:09 AM To: David Huberman Cc: Gary T. Giesen; arin-ppml@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please don't me make do ULA + NAT66) On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:54 AM, David Huberman <david.huber...@microsoft.com<mailto:david.huber...@microsoft.com>> wrote: But “something quite so fuzzy” is your interpretation, not ARIN’s. So let’s get ARIN’s interpretation and try and take the fuzziness out of the equation. Question for ARIN: In the general (normal) case when an application is made for EU v6 under clause e) and there’s a technical explanation for why they want RIR-issued space, will the application be approved ? Yes, so long as a technical explanation is provided. NRPM 6.5.8.1 provides a list of several situations that would warrant direct end-user IPv6 assignment, and others are accepted as well so long as a reasonable technical justification is provided. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN
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