Before this goes too far down the road under a misleading subject, I’ll politely request that people use the above subject as a new thread instead of continuing to post under 2016-1.
Thanks, Owen > On May 5, 2016, at 13:09 , Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would go s far as to direct ARIN staff to provide provisional approval. > The process would look like this: > > Customer: ARIN, I have a /16. I am currently using 200 IPs as documented > below. > I would be willing to sell my /16 and replace it with a /24 if I can be > assured that I > will be approved to get a /24. > > ARIN: based on your current utilization you are pre-approved to transfer a > /24 > on the condition that no longer hold the /16 and your utilization as reported > remains unchanged. > > > The customer could then go off and sell the /16 contingent on buying a /24 > and transferring it. Buy the /24, renumber into the /24 and then submit > matching > transfer requests requesting the transfer of the /16 to the recipient which > should > be held up until the transfer of a /24 from the source is also approved. > > (I think of this like the complicated kidney donation surgeries) > > I don't think we need policy for this, just the AC to advice ARIN on > the fact that this behavior is not prohibited under policy, and is what > the community desires ARIN to do in this situation. > > I do not think ARIN should maintain a pool for this. > > I would support ARIN holding a transfer in escrow, but I think it is unlikely > that a party is willing to number out of their space, be down, and then get > new space and be back up, so I don't see this being useful. > > ___Jason > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > .... > > I’d be OK with this, but given that there is remaining free pool for these > > resources, I’m not sure that it isn’t better to have a clear policy that > > when the resources in these categories are no longer needed, voluntary > > return to ARIN is expected. > > On Monday, there was discussion (during policy experience report) > about ARIN not being able to provide "theoretical" pre-qualifications > in the case where (in the example) you transfer a /16 to someone, > and would want to get a /24 from somewhere else. And while most > steeped in the ARIN process understand that qualifying is an almost > certainty, that does not take it to the level some seem to need to feel > entirely comfortable. > > As far as this proposal, I can imagine there to be cases were a transfer > may only make sense if the receiving org can be assured that they will > be able to get the IP numbers from a reserved pool which ARIN cannot > make assurance on in advance. And while (as before) everyone may be > (almost) 100% sure that the recipient will qualify, that does not always > make everyone sufficiently comfortable. > > It would seem to be nice for a 8.3 transfer which happens to include > reserved pool space not turn into another policy experience report > bullet for not being able to successfully transfer (worst case?) "CI" > space if indeed the recipient would otherwise qualify (and potentially > force a renumber of such resources for no particular policy reason). > > I do agree with Owen that these cases are unlikely. And regardless > of whether the (what I think is) better language as proposed by Scott > is included, I would support the policy moving forward to address > the problem statement. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>|571-266-0006 >
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