Unfortunately that doesn’t solve any problems Michael. It would encourage “off-ARIN” transfers more heavily and still lead to sales if a bit more informal. Not only does this cause logistical problems for those with legitimate M&A transactions but would still lead to fraudsters abusing the system with shell corps.
Adding more friction to transfers is not the answer here. Robert Clarke CubeMotion LLC [email protected] M: +1 (844) 244-8140 ex. 512 300 Lenora Street #454, Seattle, WA, 98121 > On Feb 26, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Michael Williams <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Easy. Eliminate transfers. If you obtain a block you use it yourself > or it goes back to ARIN for redistribution. Seems easy enough to me. > We’ve been waiting years to get any available IP address as we have an > immediate need. I’m actually not sure why we even allow for private > transfers of blocks acquired through the waiting list. > > My vote is if you acquire a block from waiting list you must pay and > use or return to ARIN. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 26 Feb 2019, at 20:41, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 26 Feb 2019, at 5:51 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> ... >>> I see rampant abuse of the Internet, day in and day out, every bit of which >>> involves number resources, said resources having been obtained, by hook or >>> by crook, and virtually all of this online evil that I see is the proverbial >>> "riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma", apparently because the >>> Good Stewards of the address space wanted it that way. Therefore, my >>> friends, >>> please do not begrudge me for asking for a little transparency from time >>> to time, even if I know ahead of time that I'm totally unlikely to get it. >>> Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I'd just like to know, every once >>> and awhile, who exactly is screwing me and/or all of us. That alone would >>> be a most refreshing change. >> >> Ron - >> >> ARIN cannot publish more specific information about fraudulent resource >> requests, as the detailed justifications for number resources is based on >> significant technical information that is subject to non-disclosure >> agreements with ARIN (i.e. the very same agreements that you each enter into >> before supplying detailed business and network information to ARIN.) >> >> If you wish complete transparency regarding fraudulent requests, that can be >> accommodated, but first requires the community to come to consensus that >> requests for number resource activities (issuance/transfers/updates) should >> be made publicly. To my knowledge, there has been no proposal or >> discussion of this stance within the ARIN community. >> >> I can provide the following information which summarizes some of the nature >> of the fraudulent activity that we’ve been seeing: >> >> - Multiple blocks received via the waiting list policy that transferred 13 >> months after receipt, particularly large blocks >> - Large blocks obtained by multiple organizations via similar waiting list >> policy requests and then all transferred via 8.2 to a single organization >> for monetization >> >> To characterize the fraudulent activities better, consider the following: >> >> Since the waiting list policy came into operation, 682 blocks have been >> issued (668 blocks of /18 and above, 14 of /16 or /17 in size) Of those >> blocks issued, 25 have been subsequently transferred (19 of which were /18 >> and above, 6 of which /16 or /17 in size); i.e. only 3% of the smaller >> blocks issued have been transferred, whereas 42% of the largest block sizes >> issued (/16 and /17) were subsequently transferred. The significant >> difference in the proportion of requests subsequently transferred should >> raise concern within the community, and resource review by ARIN has indeed >> borne evidence of significant calculated efforts to fraudulently obtain >> larger blocks for subsequent monetization. >> >> The question before the community is _not_ whether you believe that >> significant fraud is occurring and whether the issuance per the waiting list >> policy should be suspended – that actually has already occurred after review >> & due consideration by the ARIN Board of Trustees. The question now before >> the community is whether there is a some waiting list issuance policy that >> will fulfill the desired purpose without encouraging similar gamesmanship. >> >> I hope this information aids in your policy development efforts, >> /John >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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