Carlos Friacas asked to Joe Probo: Can we perhaps agree that a "rogue RIR member" could be more harmful to the RIR system than a "rogue non-RIR member"...?
Carlos, your question is out of context because a "rogue RIR member" is outside the scope of the ARIN PDP. Did you understand? Marilson Em qua, 1 de mai de 2019 às 16:53, Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML < [email protected]> escreveu: > > On Wed, 1 May 2019, Joe Provo wrote: > > (...) > >> By way of analogy, ARIN paints the lines on the roads and strongly > encourages > >> everyone to stay in their own lane and to try to drive at all times on > the > > [snip] > > > > Nope; ARIN is a registry. More appropriate analogies would be a > > registry of deed or title that manage policy regarding subdividing > > the same. When there's a conflict regarding such registrations in > > the Real World (in our region), you go to law enforcement and courts. > > Shockingly, that's what's encouraged in our cases. > > Hi, > > I have some trouble with the "registry of deed or title" analogy, because > those (as i understand it) don't have a distribution function, nor are > membership-based. > > > >> Sorry to have to break the bad news to you all, but The Cowboy Era of > the > >> Internet is over. It's time to make a few simple rules and all agree to > >> live by them. Because we're not all wild ass cowboys anymore. We're > >> shopkeepers and farmers and bankers and dentists. > > [snip] > > > > To follow your previous line of argument, here you are actually > > wanting to *revert* from the current state of engagement actual > > law enforcement to private outsourcing. From this perticular > > never-cowboy, I see the formation of a lynch mob, temeritas in > > extremis. > > Obviously this is not how i see it. > What i see is that country-based authorities don't have (almost) any > window to act. However, the RIRs (jointly) have. > > And even regarding legacy holders, while resources can't be revoked, the > RIR could potentially stop providing services to "rogue" legacy holders -- > i was involved in the RIPE proposal to allow services to legacy holders, > some years ago. And of course, regarding IPv6, the RIRs (jointly) have > "full authority". > > > > >> If someone wants to explain to me how this very minimalist request is > totally > >> unreasonable, I'm all ears. > > > > This proposal conflates the PDP work by the community on the NRPM > > with ARIN's legal work on [L]RSA. IMO, the proper approach would > > be to file through ACSP, since it specifically exists to take > > "suggestion[s] regarding an existing or potential ARIN service > > or practice" (https://account.arin.net/public/acsp). Very simply, > > suggesting the ARIN BoT update the RSA with very specific language > > regarding hijacking and calling out specific actions or remedies. > > I'm not sure i got all of it :-) > Do you think that will work regarding already signed RSAs...? > > > > That at least express the desired norms in contract, despite the > > reality that most perps will not be under that contract. > > You are saying a new rule is bad because will not catch all or the > majority of cases...? I mostly worry about cases where hijacks are part of > a well defined business model. > > Can we perhaps agree that a "rogue RIR member" could be more harmful > to the RIR system than a "rogue non-RIR member"...? > > > Regards, > Carlos > > > > Cheers! > > > > Joe > > > > -- > > Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. > > Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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