On 29/05/2019 11:31, Mike Burns wrote:
Orgs will wait out any period, sitting with unused addresses until
they reach the resale date. Not efficient use.
If it's not a legacy resource and if ARIN gets to know about it, it may
just recover this addresses even if the resource holder is paying it
correctly. That's how it should work.
People will lease unused addresses to others and Whois accuracy will
suffer if they can’t resell them. Not accurate registration.
If people lease they prove they have no use for the addresses and again
ARIN should recover them at any time. If whois is inaccurate, well it is
their fault and not policies fault. They must bind to the current rules
not the other way round.
I think we should give everybody currently on the list up to a /19 and
then restrict new entries to a /22.
Fair to discuss this scenario, although I still think /19 is too much.
Agree on /22 for new entries.
I think a 5 year resale wait is too long, based on the paltry resales
of prior waiting-list subnets smaller than /19.
It may be long, but 2 years seems a little short and 'acceptable' for a
fraudster. Perhaps something in between.
I support a /22 restriction for new entrants, a /19 max for current
list members, and maintenance of the 12 month wait for simplicity’s sake.
What about discuss /22 for new entrants, /20 for current list members
and 36, 42 or 48 months for transfers ? Seems more reasonable in my view
and cover most aspects of this discussion.
Regards,
Mike
*From:*ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Fernando
Frediani
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*Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after
issuance
+1
On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
Mike,
Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any
blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market.
Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space
because they stop paying their ARIN bill.
Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really
encourage squatting on them and limiting the size of organization
and size of block that can benefit from 4.1.8 further helps to
reduce the potential for hoarding.
I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t be monetized is
a lost opportunity for your organization, but I think there’s
plenty of addresses out there that haven’t been processed through
4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale potential of such
blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.
Owen
On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com
<mailto:m...@iptrading.com>> wrote:
The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap
at the /19 size.
Below that, the percentages are all below 7%.
At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%.
Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but
prices do continue to rise.
While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the
underlying reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these
addresses as well.
That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and
accurate registration.
Regards,
Mike
*From:*ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net
<mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net>>*On Behalf Of*John Curran
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM
*To:*ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml@arin.net
<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net>>
*Subject:*[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred
after issuance
*Importance:*High
Folks -
It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick
summary of waiting list blocks issued and subsequently
transferred.
Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all
blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy
and subsequently transferred via NRPM 8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
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