I oppose this draft policy. — Brian Jones, CSP, CSM, CSPO NIS Virginia Tech bjo...@vt.edu
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM Alyssa Moore <aly...@alyssamoore.ca> wrote: > Hi folks, > > Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread, > please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy. > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <far...@umn.edu> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <mil...@gatech.edu> >> wrote: >> >>> OK, I’ve read it, and here is my reaction: >>> >>> >>> >>> This policy requires legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and Bylaws do not >>> specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked resources by >>> selling those resources into the transfer market >>> >>> >>> >>> So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate any articles >>> or bylaws. >>> >>> >>> >>> Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material way from such >>> revocations. Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the >>> party in a contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to >>> financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes addresses >>> for nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the revocation is it not? >>> It is basically taking them back because it is not getting paid. >>> >>> >>> >>> If ARIN “gets paid” by selling the numbers into the transfer market what >>> is the difference exactly? >>> >> >> Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this policy >> provides valuable number resources essentially for free". >> >> Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that benefit is >> at a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as stated above. >> Whereas, if ARIN were to dispose of resources using the market, the level >> of financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude larger. >> Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then the impact on the market and the >> potential for fraud supposedly created by the waiting list, that the draft >> policy proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place. >> >> In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of magnitude >> in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the financial motivations >> from simple "cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by the >> court. Whereas the potential financial motivations, that one might even >> call a windfall, from market-based transactions probably at least needs to >> be examined and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be summarily >> dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in the end, >> but the level of effort involved defending and the level of risk of an >> adverse ruling, are not the same at all. >> >> More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and >> counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate its Articles >> and Bylaws. >> >> That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but these >> risks need to be evaluated when compared to other alternatives being >> considered, along with the possible benefits this policy could have as well. >> >> -- >> =============================================== >> David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu >> Networking & Telecommunication Services >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >> =============================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >
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