As I've said in my email, this is not about the proposal, it just reminded me that it has been 3 months, since the minutes where publish and they haven't been corrected.
I've already raised this when I saw the minutes for the first time. It is not my fault if the AC has not corrected it, or publicly asked excuses. I was told at that time that the minutes are draft, and will be confirmed later on, even if I explicitly said the same you indicate "how is possible they are draft if it says they have been reviewed". Actually I'm happy if the minutes are not changed, but it should be publicly acknowledge that they contain false information and that should be somehow attached also to the published minutes. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 11/7/19 17:21, "Jimmy Hess" <[email protected]> escribió: On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, and specially the AC (as I think a response is required), > Reviewing this email, I just realized that the minutes of the 10th April 2019 minutes are still published as originally. > > There are two points that I've discussed in emails and in person with several AC members, which were clearly false and unappropriated and even one of them (at least in Spain), a criminal act (slander and damage to one's image). [snip] > 1. "AP stated that at the LACNIC meeting has discussed it and they dismissed it as out of scope". > -> This is totally false. Such thing never happened in LACNIC or any other RIR. I think this requires a public correction. I'm sure your seemingly frivolous allegation of a criminal act by AC members will NOT be appreciated by anyone. If you believe legitimate errors have been made, then I would suggest you bring up what you have without using language that would be considered as poisoning the well. Anyways, the AC minutes are moot regarding outcome of the policy proposal, as the BoT has looked at it and agreed as the proposal Prop 266 clearly was way outside the defined scope according to the ARIN policy development process; adjustments to discussion minutes would not mean that a decided action is reversed. I don't actually know whether that is false or not, but even if something brought to the discussion turned out to be inaccurate, that does not make the minutes themself incorrect -- the minutes should keep an accurate record of what was said/done; even if something that was said turned out to be an error or mistake. > I talked to Amy Potter (AP), and she confirmed that she never said that, Oh, really? Well, you can refer to published AC May minutes that says official April minutes were approved as-is without objections, in other words the people in attendance at next meeting would have agreed that the record was an accurate representation of what business transpired at that meeting. I would imagine if the AC were concerned enough about who or what exact discussion point was brought up: you would have a published statement or special business at their meeting to request an extra note in the minutes. More than 2 months and meetings later is probably a quite inappropriate time to suggest further modification to official records of a proceeding that are already approved and finalized; at this point their meeting participants are very likely to have gaps in their personal memories regarding the minute details of their discussions, who said what, etc. A member might not even recollect exactly their own words, unless they have a recording to refer to, as in, the minutes... https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2019_0516/ >" “The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of 10 April 2019, as written.” >The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments. >The motion carried with no objections." -- -JH ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
