Exactly, and the main justification for this proposal to allow subleasing  is a total misuse of IP addressing and a try to privilege specific companies in detriment to all others.

I do not agree that legitimizing leasing as such increases accessibility to IPv4 space. Organization already have access to it by transfers. By allowing leasing as such prices of both leasing and transfer has the potential to rise significantly as organizations will prefer much more to sublease than to transfer which is logic to think that will increase pricing in general for both and which is only interesting to those who are involved in the transaction and not to those who are seeking for IPv4 space and have already access via transfers. The point about keeping the correct registry updated is not a justification either because this is already a obligation. If someone is not doing that or is doing things in a different way is going against the current policies. Any organization who signed a contract when they became a member accepted to follow these rules and they must bound to them, not the other way round. As said there is not reasons to issue addresses to anyone who will not be using them on a operational network other than legitimate speculation of IP space.

I consider the current text in NRPM as appropriate and therefore I oppose this proposal in full.

Regards
Fernando

On 01/11/2019 11:28, Owen DeLong wrote:
I have trouble with both phrases.

Even if the resources are to be re-assigned to organizations or entities which do not receive connectivity from the original registrant, I see no reason to issue addresses to anyone who will not be using them on an operational network.

Owen


On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibr...@gmail.com <mailto:scottleibr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiran Malancharuvil <k...@openiadvisors.com <mailto:k...@openiadvisors.com>> wrote:

    Dear All,

    Prior to tomorrow's community discussion of Draft Policy
    ARIN-2019-18, I wanted to offer some clarification and propose
    some language for consideration to address questions posed on the
    PPML.

    Regarding the question over the intended meaning of
    "non-connected networks", I will clarify that I mean this policy
    to refer to re-assignment to organizations and entities which do
    not receive connectivity from the original registrant.

    As such, I wanted to offer the following alternative edit to 8.5.2:

        8.5.2 Operational Use

        ARIN allocates or assigns number resources to organizations
        via transfer */primarily/* for the purpose of use on an
        operational network, */but may allocate or assign number
        resources to organizations for other purposes, including
        re-assignment to organizations and entities which do not
        receive connectivity from the original registrant/.*


I believe this is consistent with the intent of 2019-18, and I would support this language.


    Alternatively, and more simply, since the sentence referencing
    "non-connected networks" starts with "including" and is therefore
    not meant to be an exclusive "other purpose", but rather
    illustrative, we can remove it entirely.  That option would read:

        8.5.2 Operational Use

        ARIN allocates or assigns number resources to organizations
        via transfer */primarily/* for the purpose of use on an
        operational network, */but may allocate or assign number
        resources to organizations for other purposes. /*

I believe this is materially different than the text above, in that it would give ARIN permission to approve transfers for any reason whatsoever. ARIN in the past has interpreted such ambiguity in favor of allowing whatever is not expressly prohibited. As such, I don't think this language accomplishes the original intent, and would oppose it.

-Scott

        /*please note that the online version of the policy proposal
        reads "solely primarily" instead of "primarily".  This is a
        typo due to originally proposing the language with the word
        "solely" in strike-through text (solely), which did not
        translate. /

    Further, I want to clarify, as the original author of the
    proposal, that the key intent of the policy is to acknowledge
    that small and medium-sized businesses have a need for IPv4
    space, but often cannot afford to buy space in the current
    market.  Legitimizing a subleasing market increases accessibility
    to IPv4 space, and opens the market to business solutions to
    facilitate safe, trusted subleasing practices, including keeping
    the correct registry updated.

    Thanks all for the continued discussion.

    Best,

    Kiran
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