Is your institution OK with the double-billing that results from that, or would you prefer to be treated like other organizations and pay MAX(v4,v6) instead of SUM(v4,v6)?
Owen > On Sep 21, 2021, at 07:49 , David Farmer <far...@umn.edu> wrote: > > I don't know what is typical, but it depends on when the ASNs were assigned. > Our ASNs are all legacy and on LRSA, and all our IPv4 as well. Only IPv6 is > on RSA. > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 9:04 AM <hostmas...@uneedus.com > <mailto:hostmas...@uneedus.com>> wrote: > In the typical LRSA+RSA case, is the ASN number covered by the LRSA or the > RSA? If the RSA only covers V6, why not consider getting V6 from your > upstream and dumping the RSA to save money? I happen to get V6 addresses > from both of my V6 upstreams, without additonal cost. If the ASN is also > part of the RSA, in many cases private ASN's can be used for routing with > your upstream(s) without the need for an ASN. > > Personally, I would like to see this policy changed, as I can see it being > used as a quite valid excuse to drop IPv6 because of the cost. ARIN > should not be doing things that make operators less likely to use IPv6, > and this price change for those LRSA+RSA people clearly is bad. > > Albert Erdmann > Network Administrator > Paradise On Line Inc. > > On Mon, 20 Sep 2021, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2021, at 14:35 , John Curran <jcur...@arin.net > > <mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: > > > > On 19 Sep 2021, at 1:12 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com > > <mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: > > > > On Sep 19, 2021, at 06:32 , John Curran <jcur...@arin.net > > <mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: > > I actually haven’t said that – what I said is that your assertion that the > > costs are linear (i.e. per IP address represented) are not > > realistic, nor is the single fee per-registry-object-regardless-of-size > > approach realistic. > > > > Our fee schedule scales in a geometric manner, so the smallest resource > > holders are paying only $250/year and the largest paying hundreds > > of thousands per year. Does it reflect perfect cost allocation? Almost > > certainly not, since it generallizations the entire ARIN > > customer base into a simple set of fee categories. It may not be perfect > > but I believe it is as simple, fair and clear as is possible > > under the circumstances. > > > > > > You got two out of three. It’s as simple and clear as possible. > > > > > > Thanks – that’s good to hear. > > > > It clearly subsidizes LIRs on the backs of end users that are just > > ever so slightly larger than the very smallest. > > > > > > It is true that the 8022 end-user customers will be paying a larger portion > > of overall registry expenses (totaling approx. 1/3 of ARIN's total costs), > > but “subsidizes” is probably not a correct characterization – as they will > > be paying $860 per year on average as compared to the $2341 paid annually > > on average by the existing ISP customers. > > > > > > So your assertion is that LIRs only constitute 75% of ARIN’s expenses? > > Unless you can make that claim, it is, indeed, subsidy. > > > > Yes, this does mean an increase in annual fee for those end-users > > organizations who have more IPv4 number resources, but it also means a > > reduction for more than three thousand end-user organizations who > > have the typical single /24 IPv4 address block. > > > > > > That’s an extremely low cutoff for the end-user organizations worthy of > > consideration. A /22 can legitimately still be a very small end-user > > organization > > and this latest fee hike, especially in light of double billing for > > LRSA+RSA end-users in light of the previous restructuring efforts to screw > > these > > particular end users is quite painful. > > > > Owen > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net > <mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact i...@arin.net <mailto:i...@arin.net> if you experience any > issues. > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu > <mailto:email%3afar...@umn.edu> > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > ===============================================
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