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> On Oct 26, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Adam Thompson <athomp...@merlin.mb.ca> wrote: > > I can't believe I'm taking this position now, but I guess it's 2023 so here > we are... > > I don't agree that an IP broker *inherently* has a problematic conflict of > interest with ARIN, any more than every ARIN member on the AC has some degree > of inherent conflict of interest. Every AC member is an ARIN member that > obtains resources from ARIN, and thus could be tempted to act solely in their > own interests. > IP brokers have similar conflicts of interest quantitatively, not necessarily > any larger than an LRSA signatory with, say, a /12's worth of resources or > more - they just retire and acquire several [new] conflicts of interest every > day, as opposed to having the exact same conflict of interest day after day. > Yes, of course there's a qualitative difference, but I don't think a > comprehensive ontology for conflicts of interest exists yet, never mind a > hierarchy. > > While I really wish IP brokers didn't [need to] exist as an industry, they > do, and they appear to be the primary means of IP address distribution today, > for better or for worse - and therefore keeping them out in the cold doesn't > serve the interests of ARIN or the ARIN membership or the larger internet > community. I'd rather see them participating in ARIN governance instead of > being what threatens to be an RIR-bypass mechanism. "If you can't beat them, > join them" works in both directions. > > Do they have to carefully manage their COIs? Yes, in exactly the was same > every other person on the AC, the board, committees, etc. must. I can't see > any reason they would be intrinsically less able to do so, and I feel that > insinuation otherwise starts edging towards ad-hominem attacks. > > As to why they need to exist... well, we all collectively did that to > ourselves with the!@#$%^&* pathologically painful transition path to IPv6. > (Speaking as someone running a fully v6-enabled ISP/MSP... I have exactly one > client who cares. Sigh.) > > Speaking my own opinions, not necessarily my employer's, > -Adam > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net> On Behalf Of William Herrin >> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:22 AM >> To: Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com> >> Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] AC candidates >> >>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 6:58 AM Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com> wrote: >>> And I agree with Fernando that affiliations or connections to >>> IP brokers would be a point in their favor considering they >>> are the people distributing IPv4 addresses these days. >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> Before considering someone affiliated with an address broker for an >> ARIN position, I'd want them to demonstrate that they recognize the >> conflict of interest that's likely to pose and have a well conceived >> plan for addressing it. >> >> Conflict of interest corrupts even the best intentioned. I once quit a >> job I liked because despite his good intentions my boss unsuccessfully >> managed his conflict of interest. It placed me in a position where I >> couldn't properly oversee the prime vendor. So I'm sensitive to >> conflicts of interest. >> >> Regards, >> Bill Herrin >> >> >> -- >> William Herrin >> b...@herrin.us >> https://bill.herrin.us/ >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
