Thank you for the input John. The NRPM working group will take this under advisement and I appreciate the perspective that maybe this is just an editorial change if consensus is reached about which term to use.
Brian Jones ARIN Advisory Council (NRPM Working Group) > On Dec 5, 2023, at 6:10 PM, John Santos <j...@egh.com> wrote: > > I agree with Dale (I think). ISPs do a lot more than just register Internet > addresses, but their interaction with ARIN and the NRPM is under their > function as an Internet Registry (allocating and registering addresses for > their customers), so they are a special case of LIR. If the term LIR is used > most commonly by other regions and their definition of LIR is similar to > ARIN's, then I think "LIR" should be used in the NRPM, even if it requires > more single-point changes. > > If everyone agrees that the terms ISP and LIR, as used in the NRPM, are > equivalent, then substituting one for the other is a purely editorial change, > not a policy change. > > If we want to make clear in the policy that ISPs and LIRs are the same, this > should be explicitly stated in the definitions section at the beginning. > Both acronyms should be defined, and the statement should be made their that > their policy implications are identical and thereafter only one of the terms > will be used in the rest of the NRPM. > > If, some time in the future, we develop a policy that distinguishes LIRs from > ISPs, a future policy revision could state that some particular aspects of > the new policy apply only to LIRs and not ISPs or vice versa, although there > appear to be no such policies at the current time. Making the editorial > change to use only the term ISP or LIR now would make any such future change > much easier to understand and implement. > > > On 12/5/2023 5:10 PM, Dale W. Carder wrote: >> Thus spake Brian Jones (bjo...@vt.edu) on Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 02:28:18PM >> -0500: >>> >>> Section 6.5.1.a “Terminology” explains that ISP and LIR terms are used >>> interchangeably throughout the entire document. The NRPM working group in >>> discussions with ARIN staff has concluded that the term LIR could be >>> replaced everywhere in the NRPM with the term ISP. By my counts the term >>> LIR appears 37 times in the NRPM currently, while ISP is referenced 62 >>> times. The LIR term is utilized less nowadays than in times past and ISP is >>> a more widely used and well understood term. The LIR term occurs more >>> frequently in other RIRs and it is likely that if section 6 were written >>> solely for ARIN the ISP term would have been used. So the question to the >>> community is, would replacing the term LIR with ISP make the NRPM more >>> consistent and readable? The NRPM working group would like to hear your >>> feedback. >> I think that would be a step in the wrong direction. To me, the term >> ISP seems to carry a strong commercial connotation that excludes the >> existence of LIR entities that include governments, academic >> institutions, non-profits, large scale enterprises, or even cloud or >> content providers. >> Of course, I have some bias coming from a network that is very much not >> an isp... ;-) >> The term LIR is used at other RIR's as you mention, as well as in a >> number of RFC's since the mid 90's. Why should we diverge? >> I think you could delete 6.5.1.a and clarify in section 2 that LIR and >> ISP may be used interchangably in the document, but personally I would >> prefer use of the term ISP be cleaned up, not LIR. >>> Part b >>> Section 6.5.1.b defines the IPv6 nibble boundaries . The working group >>> feels like this definition would be a better fit if moved to section 2 of >>> the NRPM which is the Definitions section. Your thoughts about moving the >>> IPv6 nibble boundaries definition from section 6.5.1.b to section 2 would >>> be appreciated. >> Sounds perfectly reasonable. >> Dale >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > > -- > John Santos > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
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