I note and welcome the comments by Kat Hunter & John Curran regarding appropriate language and the use of clauses such as "grandfathered in" as per the text suggestion which was submitted.
For clarity, this was recognized and reflected in the "ADDITIONAL TEXT" section of the post below where it said "the full text of the policy...." I reproduce this section as follows: The full change to the policy will thus be: Problem Statement https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use of the NRPM, Out of Region Use, requires organizations to use at least a /22 in the ARIN region before they can justify out of region use. This harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require some out of region use. Policy Statement Modify the following text in https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use : FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. ADDITIONAL TEXT: Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 addresses from the transfer market. Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] OR Out-of-Region Usage Justification may not be used to receive IPv4 address space from the ARIN Waiting List (4.1.8), the Micro-allocation Pool (4.4), or the Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] Note the text in square brackets suggests the intent of the last sentence, and may be considered for substitution for brevity. Thank you to Kat Hunter and John Curran for the clarifications to the community regarding wording, clarity of language and intent of terminology used in policy. Furthermore, I applaud their keen insight, careful eye, and vigilance on this issue. Let's keep the comments and discussions going. ---- On Mon, 13 Jul 2026 14:45:54 -04:00 < mailto:[email protected] > wrote ---- Kat - That’s an excellent reminder - Let me jump in here and be fairly specific in the concerns: a) Terminology: best to avoid term "grandfathering in” – it’s unnecessary gerontological terminology so just omit. b) Regarding handling existing entries on the wait list – be explicit regarding their handling if changing policies that affect wait list processing. Entries on the list can be handled differently (out of respect for existing status) or may handled according to updated policy – just be clear about the intention either way. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On Jul 13, 2026, at 1:42 PM, Kat Hunter < mailto:[email protected] > wrote: I would highly recommend removing any language that refers to "grandfathering in". Perhaps "will be exempt until they are removed from the waitlist" but grandfathered in will not pass a staff and legal/community review. We have seen this turned down for a number of reasons in the past. Kat Hunter Comcast/AC Chair On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 12:54 PM Tom Fantacone via ARIN-PPML < mailto:[email protected] > wrote: Correction - my last sentence should have read: "Using the term "transfer market" as in Option 1 is bound to create ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM." Speaking of ambiguity... From: Tom Fantacone via ARIN-PPML < mailto:[email protected] > To: "Gerry George"< mailto:[email protected] > Cc: "ARIN PPML"< mailto:[email protected] > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 10:48:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria Gerry, Thanks for the clarifications. I support the policy as written in Option 2. It's very clear and explicit. Using the term "transfer market" as in Option 2 is bound to create ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM. Regards, Tom Fantacone From: Gerry George via ARIN-PPML < mailto:[email protected] > To: "ARIN PPML"< mailto:[email protected] > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 08:11:45 -0600 Subject: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ( mailto:[email protected] ). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact mailto:[email protected] if you experience any issues. Good day and greetings, ARIN community. We had a suggestion for some modified text to the Draft Policy, primarily in response to feedback and reactions from ARIN 57 and PPML discussions, as many of the concerns related to potential gaming of the system to access the ARIN address pool for out-of-region use. The brief background and suggested change text is as follows: As a reminder, this proposal is to modify the following text in Section 9: * FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. * TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. The intent is to amend the proposal, including text to specifically exclude out of region usage as justification to get IPv4 from the waiting list. Suggested text - Option 1: Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 addresses from the transfer market. Any organization on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be grandfathered-in. Suggested text - Option 2: Out of Region usage justification may not be used to receive IPv4 addresses from the ARIN Waitlist (4.1.8), Micro-allocation pool (4.4) or Dedicated IPv4 Allocation to facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any organization on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be grandfathered-in. The first option is shorter, and does not specifically refer to ARIN reserve pools, which could change. The second option does not include the term “transfer market”. That term does not appear in the NRPM, and directly mentions the waiting list. The full change to the policy will thus be: Problem Statement https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use of the NRPM, Out of Region Use, requires organizations to use at least a /22 in the ARIN region before they can justify out of region use. This harms smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require some out of region use. Policy Statement Modify the following text in https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use : FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. ADDITIONAL TEXT: Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 addresses from the transfer market. Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] OR Out-of-Region Usage Justification may not be used to receive IPv4 address space from the ARIN Waiting List (4.1.8), the Micro-allocation Pool (4.4), or the Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] Note the text in square brackets suggests the intent of the last sentence, and may be considered for substitution for brevity. Please submit your comments of support, dissent, encouragement or disapproval for the policy, and for the proposed text changes. Regards Gerry E. George ICT Consultant and Business Solutions Architect; DigiSolv, Inc. [P.O. Box 1677, Castries, Saint Lucia] Email: mailto:[email protected] Mobile (WhatsApp): / Int'l Office: Web: mailto:[email protected] / LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrygeorge/ Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you. Confidentiality: This email is intended only for the named recipient. 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