Good day, Quantum (and all).
As one of the shepherds of this policy, let me assure you, that the opposition which has been expressed is in no way being ignored. In fact, this was considered during our last AC meeting, and this is expected to be vigorously discussed and hopefully well ventilated on PPML and more so, at the ARIN 58 members meeting when this policy is being presented. Rest assured, no persons or voices are being ignored. The move to Recommended Draft is part of the process to be able to get a show of hands at the general meeting while continuing to have robust discussions on the different aspects of the policy. Bear in mind that the policy has not moved to last call, and even if so, there is still room for addressing strong objecetions or any other grivances to any aspect of the policy. We look forward to your further engagement on PPML and especially at ARIN 58. Cheers. From: Quantum via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 00:59:38 +0800 Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria Hi, On 2026-09-22 11:51, ARIN wrote: This recommendation has been generally supported overwhelmingly by the community, although some community members have expressed a preference to see the elimination of all out-of-region restrictions. The Advisory Council found that this view is not representative of the feedback overwhelmingly expressed by the community and that it maintains key restrictions to prevent attempts to bypass, manipulate, or exploit unintended gaps in this policy to limit potential abuse, and that the policy is suitable to be advanced to recommended status. Is ARIN just going to ignore all the opposition to this policy proposal on the PPML? Last time this policy was brought up on https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2026-August/038480.html , every reply has been in opposition due to the recent amendment to this policy. I don't believe our opposition to this policy was appropriately represented in this summary. Specifically, the opposition centres around the way the policy was amended to prohibit out-of-region use as a valid justification for all available mechanisms for IPv4 resource acquisition from ARIN directly, forcing everyone who needs out-of-region use to resort to section 8 transfers. This represents a dramatic change from the way ARIN currently works and yet, it's effectively smuggled into this unrelated policy that claims to "remove some perceived usage minimums" and reduce "harm to smaller organizations". This is problematic for many reasons: The amendment to this draft policy has more impact than entire draft policies. For example, the recommended draft policy ARIN-2025-8 will be rendered entirely redundant by the recent amendment added late into this draft policy, and ARIN-2025-8 would only prohibit out-of-region use for NRPM section 4.10, not the waiting list. It will be no longer possible for a certain class of resource requests, namely those involving out-of-region use, to be serviced by ARIN directly. It means that the full suite of ARIN's services will no longer be accessible without a third-party willing to transfer resources, which in practice requires paying such parties large sums of money. While the rationale of the policy claims to reduce harm to "smaller organizations", it actually forces smaller organizations to buy IPv4 resources instead of using the waiting list. As organizations who hold more than /20 in ARIN are not eligible for the waiting list, that makes everyone who use the waiting list small organizations in the grand scheme of things, and so the policy actually harms a lot of "smaller" organizations. Furthermore, since the draft policy was dramatically amended since the previous ARIN meeting, I am not convinced that the "overwhelming" support by the community applies to newly amended version, which has been met with much criticism on the PPML. I find it very concerning that the ARIN Advisory Council ignored all the opposition to this policy and acted as if the policy has overwhelming support. Out-of-Region Usage Justification may not be used to receive IPv4 address space from the ARIN Waiting List (4.1.8), the Micro-allocation Pool (4.4), or the Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. This part, specifically, was the main crux of the opposition. Best regards, Quantum _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ( mailto:[email protected] ). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact mailto:[email protected] if you experience any issues. Gerry E. George ICT Consultant and Business Solutions Architect; DigiSolv, Inc. [P.O. Box 1677, Castries, Saint Lucia] Email: mailto:[email protected] Mobile (WhatsApp): / Int'l Office: Web: mailto:[email protected] / LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrygeorge/ Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you. 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