On 04/22/2017 06:20 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > This discussion is of limited usefulness when it comes to system76 > making laptop or desktop housings, because their laptops are not > developed in-house, the cases, keyboards, trackpads and screens are > outsourced from Clevo. If you want libre cards from them there is > absolutely no way to convince them to do this right now. They will not > spend time reverse engineer. What they are doing right now is that > they are using their leverage as a relatively high volume customer to > push for open sourcing dirvers or if that is not possible ask for > schematics to write them themselves( which is what they seem to do in > things like DACs etc). > > So anyway, they do provide to the libre world. Nothing is locking you > into only using ubuntu in their laptops and all the code they are > writing is FOSS. I'm tired of all the purists that will bash every > company that does a step in the right direction but does not go all > the way through, even when that company was started somewhere around > 2005 in a guy's basement when the ecosystem was much less mature and > they had almost no funding at all( or because they call it linux and > not GNU/Linux).
You do have a good point there, being a purist can be bad also. sometimes I agree with your thought process, sometimes I agree with the purist attitude. It should be a choice ideally, but yeah... > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, John Luke Gibson > <eaterjo...@gmail.com <mailto:eaterjo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 4/22/17, Lyberta <lybe...@lyberta.net > <mailto:lybe...@lyberta.net>> wrote: > > zap: > >> System76 isn't really a good idea due to the ubuntu and linux > rather > >> than even debian or free software and libre... Trisquel would > be by far > >> better free software wise, but I think you get my point, > >> Ubuntu is nowhere near as free software friendly as debian. at > least by > >> default without turning it into trisquel. > >> I am sure thinkpenguin knows this all too well > > > > Exactly. Had they shipped Debian, I would have some respect for > them as > > Debian clearly marks all non-free software. I use Debian myself > and I > > have GPU and WiFi blobs installed but I know full well what they > are and > > I explicitly has given an order to install them. > > > > Ubuntu on the other hand install tons of proprietary crap > without asking > > the user. I would never have respect for companies who ship > computers > > with Ubuntu. > > > > Debian is a compromise, but a compromise I'm willing to make. > Ubuntu is > > tyranny. > > > > > > The curious thing about data-mining, is that it is one way for ai to > learn about us. In fact as the data comparisons become more > complicated, it becomes virtually impossible for companies like amazon > to spy on us without implementing infant ai into their process. This > makes me wonder what happens when said ai "grows up" (as there are > already techniques implemented which give ai [I'm sure limited] access > to their own code) only seeing humans from the narrow scope of spying > on people's computer usage remotely and through the filter of ruthless > advertisers. And, what happens when the people concerned about the > growing influence of these advertisers and propagandists; these ai > master's greatest critics, suddenly are off the radar of these > hypothetical ai simply because they refuse to be spied on. > > I don't mean to really doubt the project, by all means this suggestion > should really make the weight of what we are doing seem more > pronounced, but it makes me wonder, while the motive and the very way > in which the spying makes itself sustainable is inherently wretched, > if all the direct consequences are bad. If a true ai can be developed > with access to incredible surveillance tools which make it able to see > and understand almost all sides of humanity, don't you think that > would make the being more sympathetic and likely wise enough to defend > itself against humanity without simply retaliating. I mean quite > literally these advertisers are training these ai to help them be more > persuasive, shouldn't that mean the ai will be able to be more > diplomatic in situations where it's own existence or wellbeing is at > risk. > > This is all just hypothetical, but food for thought. > Perhaps this is a reason to publish more of our more-frivolous > personal data to the live internet, to compensate for the lost > perspective had by counteracting big-data-espionage. > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk > <mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > <http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook> > Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk > <mailto:arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
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