Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> writes: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Philip Hands <p...@hands.com> wrote: >> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> writes: > >>> yep he recommended to the arduino package maintainer that the actual >>> core parts not be glommed together with a runtime and IDE and >>> everything else. >> >> Well, I reacted badly to the Java UI (because it was ludicrously broken >> under tiling window managers -- > > ohh that's right. you use xmonad. written in 1200 lines of haskell > if i recall. fricking awesome and scary at the same time :) > >> the menu required you to click the >> screen elsewhere to get anywhere, and my screen wasn't wide enough to >> click anything on the sub-menus ;-) ), and noticed that it was actually >> possible to use a Makefile, and that there were several Makefiles in >> circulation, so chose what looked to be the most maintained one, and >> suggested that the author pick up the nice features in the other ones, >> and then stuck that together as the arduino-core package. > > cool! > > yyyeah... have you noticed btw that the way they do "finding of > libraries" is... to indiscriminately extend make's "VPATH". all and > any headers, object files, modules, executables... *all* of those are > searched for in *every single one* of the paths. > > if you happen to have the same filename somewhere anywhere in those > paths, you're hosed. > > it's a total global namespace .... nightmare. nnnngh! whyyyy do > they doo thiiiiis! > > >> As it happens, I fired up my arduino for the first time since doing the >> arduino-core uploads last week -- My 5 year old daughter and I are >> knocking up something to drive some LEDs and a motor in order to make >> her IKEA kitchen have a working turntable in the microwave, and a blue >> LED to simulate water coming out of the tap, etc. > > ha, cool! yeah i bought something called a "Sparki" robot for me and > lilyana to play with. which was for about... 2 days. the GUI on that > however i have to say is extremely cool. it's block-based like a > jigsaw, and it auto-generates actual code which you can then look at > to see if it does what you expected.
Sounds somewhat like scratch. Also in the same vein is the thing from microsoft: 'makecode', that the Love To Code folk at chibitronics are using in conjunction with the Chibi Chip: https://makecode.chibitronics.com/ makecode also supports other microcontrollers boards, it seems: https://makecode.com/ The chibi chip is one of Bunnie's projects, for making it easy to do clever stuff with circuits made out of sticky copper tape and stick-on LEDs and sensors -- I'm awaiting one in the post, having found a UK based seller last week: https://chibitronics.com/shop/love-to-code-chibi-chip-cable/ Bunnie gave a nice talk about it at CCC last year: https://archive.org/details/media.ccc.de-33c3-7975-making_technology_inclusive_through_papercraft_and_sound (for which I happened to be on Main Camera, in the video team filming it) I particularly like his Sauerkraut analogy about always getting the same outcome if you start with the same ingredients. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/ http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg, GERMANY _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk