Sunil, Dasun, and other ARRies Just by reading your response I feel that the time spent writing it out was well worth it. It is wonderful to see that true appreciators of ARR's talents pass-by the forums. Indeed, I also hope that one day ARR catches up on not just this message, but many others left by true fans, and reslises his real achievement - earning a large number of true fans in a very precarious industry, who understand and thoroughly appreciate the depth of his work.
I hope our group can settle on this thought and save us all time from bickering on industry views criticizing the genius. Surely it is most attractive to thump the infallible from a journalistic point of view, but the audience at this group is smarter than that. Usually I pass by such comments but seeing an ARR fan waver between his intuition and societal response, it had to be answered. Most of us have and will in the future face ridicule for remaining a devotee of ARR, and I hope everyone who supports him despite the criticizm has a decent back-firing shot up their sleeves. I am not disturbed if others are a fan of SEL, Illayaraja, Stevie Wonder, Emenim, or Mozart - people have different tastes and let them be - it is their loss for forgoing the beauty in ARR numbers. But disrespecting ARR or a fan of ARR only shows me their inaptitude from a musical sense. Dasun, you asked about me.. When ARR was not discovered to me I lived in Gujarat. By the time I realised I had found a gem I was in NZ. And now when the glitters of this gem are thoroughly weaved into my lifestyle, I am in the US - currently I'm a graduate student in U. of Texas at Austin. (anyone else in austin?). Who knows where I'll be tomorrow; but sure to say that I'll be floating in the sea of ARR melodies. Live on.. -S(ahil) --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil VG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Sahil, > > First of all, thanks for sending this mail. Hats off to you for expressing > your thoughts so beautifully and intelligently. It was the most moving mail > I have read in a long time. I hope someday ARR finds enough time to read > your mail! > > It is evident that you FEEL his music and not merely listen. Over the years, > I feel I have grown with his music which has matured and reached a stage > where one wonders, how can he ever make this any better? Before you know it > he composes a Meenaxi, then a Swades and then a Bose and answers your > question. While we are left to absorb the subtle complexities of his > creations, he moves on with his quest. Here's a legend who is perhaps the > most underrated ever, probably because he achieved so much at his age. > > Regards, > Sunil > > > > >From: "ST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > >To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [arr] Re: ARR&MUSIC! (a possible answer to spiteful badmouthing > >of ARR) > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 03:45:23 -0000 > > > >Fellow ARR Fans (especially taurus8_0) > > > >In response to your rightful concern and comments about the direction > >of ARR music in recent times, I have few comments that you may (or may > >not) agree with. Everyone has their own reason for remaining a true > >fan of ARR. Here is mine. > > > >To me, the box office results in no way represent the quality of the > >movie or the talent of its producers. Many fantastic peices of work > >have bombed, and besides the odd ones like Laagan, ones that do well > >have little more than the classic bollywood story and style to offer. > >If it were not for ARR and very few other talented actors and > >directors, I would not be paying attention to bollywood films or > >music! And by same reason I do pay attention to ARR's tamil albums, > >despite being a Northie. > > > >Clearly, popular music in no way exacts musical talent. The beats and > >melody (if even) are purely icing that fade away sooner than the > >commercials promoting them. What I find most shameful about the > >industry is that 95% of the tunes are 1) unoriginal and repetitive of > >their older work and/or 2) blatantly stolen under the ideal of > >"inspired from.." and/or 3) of same or similar style with different > >instruments, arrangement, and singers and ( either 4. lack the the > >notes that press the right keys to convey the right emotions OR 5. > >posses the notes to convey an emotion, however those that have become > >too obvious in the industry i.e. lack the range OR 6. do this job > >well, and I respect those rare few, but lack the magical x-factor that > >ARR has proved to be carrying since Roja ) > > > >ARR's music, on the other hand, provides purity and shows integrity. > >First time I listen to any piece it is like an enigma. To an untrained > >ear like mine, it is a partial blurr. As I listen to it over and over, > >I uncover to more and more depth, what he is trying to convey in the > >song. The instruments, musical arrangement, background track, range of > >melodies, novelty of the overall work, and the special something he > >always fills up in the middle of the track. The more I hear, the more > >I discover what I was missing or misinterpreting when I had heard it > >before. It is a well known phenomenon that some or most of ARR's songs > >get better over time. And I remember reading his interview once where > >he provided a possible explanation saying that because they are > >generally completely new tunes and melodies that people have not > >imagined before, it takes time to digest. > > > >Now, as for the criticizm of his recent works, I say that those who > >find his recent efforts repetitive and unattractive just dont > >understand music to a level that is required to appreciate ARR. In his > >earlier days, when he came out with Roja, Thiruta Thiruda, Rangeela, > >Bombay, etc.. people cherished them because they were very differently > >composed to what they had been hearing for years, and in a good way. I > >doubt the entire fan base understood the elegance of his composition. > >Those that did (like us ofcourse ) are still his grateful fans. We > >still appreciate his talents and by no means are we blind worshipers. > >Blind are those who can not see the beauty in ARR's work. > > > >I concede that not all of his works appear attractive, original, and > >of the standard he has set himself. In my experience what appears > >today does not stand true for ARR's music tomorrow. And one more > >thing, the same kind of songs that people pick-out to badmouth him > >today were being produced in his early days also. E.g. Patti rap - > >Muqabla, Jor Laaga - Chor Chor, Jo manga tha - Kabhi na Khabhi. > > > >But after listening to them many times over the years I have realised > >even those that dont seem attractive on the surface possess ARR's raw > >talent, in some form or other. > > > >As for the recent works, do they not carry the genius of ARR? Some > >examples..picking out 2-3 at random from these recent albums. > > > >DJAK > > - Jane Bahara - Listen to it in the right mood it will arouse unique > >feelings that is the mark of ARR sice Roja..also heads up to the > >lyrics (at some places). Can anyone else end a song as smoothly as > >this? > > - Zindagi hai dua - forget the vocals and focus on the > >instrumentation.. just that use of greekish guitar with piano is the > >proof of his super talent. > > > >Lakeer > > - Saadiya - "saadiya saadiya saadiya haai.." you dont find > >originality and talent in this? the way "naino ke shishe me saya hai > >kiska, luk chup ke chanda ke jaisa.. kashti yeh dil, kehti hai mil > >saagar hai ishq kaa..." is sung, you dont find these lines unique, > >extraordinary, and containing ARR's genius???? Listen to it again if > >you dont. And again, until you do because trust me if you've liked > >ARR's earlier works, sooner or later it will come to you. > > > > - shehzade - not a big fan of these lyrics and little bit bombastic, > >but that seems to be the purpose of it. listen to about 1 min 30 > >seconds.. and pure genius at 2:53 and overall does it not put you in > >different shoes? Listen to it few more times dude. > > > >Boys > > - Listen to it from the point of view of the right audience and it is > >as innovative as his original work. > > - Use of electric guitar in Secret of success only bolsters our > >beliefs that ARR makes good music in any genre. Oh and there is this > >great melody too, most noticeable mid way. > > - Ale Ale - absolutely fantastic instrumentation and a great soothing > >melody, I really dont understand why anyone would consider ARR a flop > >after listening to this. And the way he is interlacing male and female > >vocals throughout the song is unheard of. provides fantastic effect, > >something i could not have imagined prior to listening to it. > > > >E20U18 > > Kama Kama - love the voice that sings kama kama in background.. I > >dont understand the lyrics, maybe thats what makes it more attractive > >;) And it makes me jump like a monkey. > > Oru Nanbanirunthaaal - beeeautifuly sung by both vocals. I > >absolutely love the flow of the vocal melody. Calling it average is a > >gross understatement. > > Yedo Yedo - A great MASTERPIECE by far, in the league of Tu hi re, > >yeh haseen vadiya, roja. Under right light this beautiful song is sure > >to mealt anyones heart. > > > > > >*** So now don't tell me that ARR has lost his talent. And frankly, > >true talent does not go away! If it appears so, then it was not a > >talent, just a fluke. ARR makes just as novel and beautiful melodies, > >provides just as crisp instrumentation, and extracts the best out of > >his very talented crew, which is why they stick around with him. It is > >the audience that is realising they never really understood the true > >essence of his music, they were simply floating over the surface. > > > >Shankar ehsan loy has made some good songs, but in no way do they > >posses eternal melodies - with notes so complex that they occupy our > >concious attention for a very long time, with notes so right for the > >human in you that they relentlessly juggle untried emotions, bringing > >us to tears or making us dance like a monkey. > > > >ARR does not seem to be taking on albums for more money or to score at > >the box office and win awards, he composes because he enjoys to, he > >takes on albums from north to keep us true fans fulfilled. > > > >Don't be ashamed for supporting ARR. Tell your friends it is they who > >are blind for not comprehending the genius in ARR. Box office flops > >are only a response of the "average" ear! > > > > > >An ardent fan of ARR's talents. > >-S > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "taurus8_0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > HELLO GUYS! > > > > > > HAVE BEEN IN THE GROUP FER A VERY LONG TIME AND OBSERVING EACH AND > > > EVERYTHIN TAKIN PLACE IN THE GROUP. > > > > > > Hmm mainly wrote a msg 2 clarify about the Indian music scenario. > > > > > > Guys 1 ff my friends who seems 2 be in Bombay said there was an > > > article in a leadin newspaper which said that ARR has lost his > >touch > > > and hes no more delivering like before. > > > > > > Well to be very frank Guys lets stop all the biased comments and > > > accept the fact that ARR'S music of late is average barrin Bose.Bt > > > unfortunately even Bose had BOMBED heavily at the Box Office and > > > hence The music. > > > > > > The question now is wether ARR can deliver commerical Hits.2Be > >frank > > > Recently all his films had Bombed heavily and also his music. > > > > > > Guys Also his music in 'SWADES' was average.We have 2 accept > > > it.Meenaxi just above average.And Bose Gd bt nt excellent.Really > > > dont know why ARR accepts such movies where the scope for > >delivering > > > good music is minimumm.Why did ARR Accept projects like LAKEER DJAK > > > AND KISNA where he scored just few songs here and there.And Lakeer > > > was a below average album. > > > > > > Guys I really feel bad when my friends laugh at me sayin why the > > > hell do yu blindly support ARR and hes nt the same Num1 MD > > > again.THEY Say SHANKAR EHSAN LOY DELIVERS BETTER THAN ARR. > > > > > > Guys just think instead ff scoring few songs for each films ARR > >shud > > > have scred For a GD prject like ANNIYAN.If really ARR didnt work on > > > Anniyan just fer time it looks very funny hw come he worked on > >those > > > hindi projects which had no scope whtsever. > > > > > > GUYS EVEN IN TAMIL even though ARR gave some hits The films for > > > which he had scred music had Bombed heavily.The guys whu are in top > > > are VS YSR AND HJ.PPL ARE EVEN SAYIN ARR CAN NEVER CM 2 THE TOP > > > AGAIN. > > > > > > Guys They say flow in arr music is not there anymore.IF YU TAKE > > > ALBUMS like MAYMADHAM THRIUDA THIRUDA AND KADHAL DESAM AND COMPARE > > > THE ALBUMS NW it looks true. > > > > > > Is Arr tryin 2 give diff sounds in music and failin miserably? > > > > > > Will he go back 2 his old ways? > > > > > > IS ARR BEING UNLUCKY? > > > > > > WILL ARR JOIN WITH SHANKAR AGAIN? > > > > > > IS HE HAVIN A LT FF HEADWEIGHT? > > > > > > DOES HE HAVE A PROPER TEAM? > > > > > > AS ARR FANS WE HAVE 2 PASS ON THE MSG 2 ARR AND TELL HIM 2 LOOK > >BACK > > > AT COMPOSIN PROPER MUSIC. > > > > > > MST FF THE GUYS WETHER YU ACCEPT OR NOT ARR IS NOT THE NUM1 ANYMORE > > > UNTIL HE GETS BACK 2 THE BASIC AGAIN. > > > > > > GUYS THIS IS PERSONAL OPINION AND NT MEANT 2 HURT ANY1.BT THE ABOVE > > > IS A PUBLIC OPINION.HEHEHEHEE > > > > > > Bye, > > > > > > ARR FAN > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************* > Sunil Nair > ISTD (Solutions), ADCO > P.O. 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