Hi, nice to see that you've enjoyed my raga based review on Theeyil. This group is a heaven of sharing thoughts on A.R.Rahman's genius work. He has excelled astonishingly in melodic transition or call it the grahabedham in carnatic terms. Also the term "Mishraman' suites him well because he strikes the perfect swaras inaccordance to emotion excuted by the lyrics.Sure Kumarr I'd like to be helpful, it's my pleasure, you can add me on msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thanks .
 
Regards
Keshav
----- Original Message -----
From: Kumarr
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Theeyil...Raga Vasanthi (Bhoopkali/Bhoopeshri)

very true sir....thanx for enlightenin...this grp is a place where i can improve my raaga knowledge...after u mentioned abt vakulabharanam..as usual ARR sir's mishramam...his greatest asset...combination of raagas...i cud make it out...can v b in touch...plzz i need some help...am from a musical background family....carnatic...i never had formal trainin....so if u can help me...online...my pleasure....thanx a lott...bye...kumarr...

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]@~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi I'd thought that I should share some info regarding raga vasanti and theeyil
 
Raga Vasanti has a basic scale of S R2 G3 P D1 S – S D1 P G3 R2 S. It is a newly introduced raga into the classical music sampradaya as there aren't any traditional compositions in this raga. It hasn't found a place in most of the old treatises either. There is also a doubt about its parent raga, where the could be's are the 25th mela Mararanjini, 26th mela Charukesi as u said and 27th mela Sarasangi. Theeyil has a very constructive melody which requires attentive listening to understand its structure. Now let's indulge :
 
The Pallavi pure uses all notes denoting raga vasanti.
 
The 1st Caranam
"mazhalayin neer vaanggi mazheyea azhuvathu pol
Thaayin yir thanggi thanayan azhuvaano?
uyirai thantavalin uyirai Kappaana kadanai Theerpaana
Thangam Pole Irunthaval Thaan Sarukaipole Anatha Naal
Singampole Iruntha Mahan Seviliyaipole Avaana?"
has usage of swaras R1, M1 and N1 which equates to raga vakulaabharanam of the 14th mela.
 
The 2nd Caranam
"Ore Sollil Ore Ulakam Amma, Ulakellam Ore Solum Amma"
 
Still maintaning usage of  raga vakulaabaranam.
 
"Nee Sumantha Pillaiyayi Naanirunthen Amma
Naan Sumakkum Pillaiyayi nee aanai amma"
 
a beautifull transition happens making the raga brighter when the swara D2 (28th mela Raga Harikaambhoji occurs) is introduced at amma and its back to the basic when D1 is introduced again at the second amma. Fantastic isn't it.
"Ennakedhum aanathenuna unnaku veru pillai undu
Unnakethum aanathuna yennaku veru thayirukka ?"
 
these lines are purely in vasanti as in the pallavi
 
"Nenjai ooti valarthavalai,
kanil madiyayi sumanthavalai
manil vittu viduvana?
manathil mattum sumapana?"
 
As in thangam pole in 1st caranam
 
3rd Caranam
As in the 1st caranam in raga vakulabaranam
 
So there you are, hope i've enlighten you.
 
Thanks
Regards
Keshav
 



 
----- Original Message -----
From: Kumarr
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [arr] Theeyil...Raga Vasanthi (Bhoopkali/Bhoopeshri)

is vasanthi a raaga derived from charukeshi....plzz clarify coz i thought theeyil was charukeshi....

"[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks alot swaps for enlighten us, u've always marveled us in these matters. I have one query though, Is theeyil composed purely in raag vasanti ?? dunt u think there are shades of keeravani. Thanks
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: [arr] Theeyil...Raga Vasanthi (Bhoopkali/Bhoopeshri)

Hii
After reading several posts abt Theeyil song frm GF abt the raga..yes..its is Carnatic Raga Vasanthi & the Hindustani equivalent is Raga Bhoopkali or Bhoopeshri. It has all shuddha swaras except Dha & it omits Madhyam & Nishad though in some cases it may add a Teevra Madhyam being from the Marwa thaat (Raga Family). So its Sa Re Ga Pa Dha(Komal) Sa. ARR's used this raga in Taj Mahal (Adi manjakkizhange), Mudhalvan (Kurukku chiruthavale) & JanaGanaMana album (Hariharan's rendition of Desh ka salam).
Theeyil has an exceptional quality of moving ur soul...thats ARR magic!
Njoy...
Swaps

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]@~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeah I guess ur right Arya,Raag Vaasanthi closes atribute Theeyil not pure though, the caranam has presences of other notes.. Being similar to his previous works like 'adi manjakkizhangge' (TAJ MAHAL) and of course Kurrukku Chiruttavalea (MUDHALVAN).
----- Original Message -----
From: Arya
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] GodFather - Raag Vaasanthi (Theeyil)

Monea... ARR- srakka aarayathey.... anubhavi...
 
music manasukkula pughundhu yennma chemistry pannudhu.... ni yennada enna adhukku mark podukira.... adakivasi ma kannu...
 
In this world we can judge only ourselves… not others….
Especially genius like world famous musicians…
 
Cheer up....


Thulasi Ram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
pankaj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plz dont feel -ve abt innisai song dude.... i love that song like anything. i feel that it is the best carnatic song that i have heard in recent time. great great great composition. simply superb. hope u will agree at some point of time. plz try re-considering ur decision. listen to that song again and again. u will love it for sure. by the way, i hope u managed to c the video songs of GF. if not mail me, i will send it to u asap.

On 2/18/06, Pankaj Kakkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hi Friends, my rankings here : What abt urs??
 
1. Kaatril Vor Vaarthaai - in shades of Raag Natabhairavi & Sindhubhairavi as sometimes remind me of certain places in thillana thillana from Muththu.
 
2. Theeyil song has been wonderfully classically treated, where in Carnatic Music, it is called Raag Vaasanthi.
 
3. Ilamai - well westernized song
 
4. Innisai though in (Raag Hindolam in Carnatic) i am disappointed by too much usage of Jathis & Swarams (Surs) leads to confusion at one moment and he has given 3 tracks for this with very little differences, i cud find.  His stamp/punch is missing when compared to Minsaara Kanna song in Padaiyappa or Kannodu Kaanbathellam in Jeans or Maargazhi Thingallalavaa in Sangamam
 
5. Dhinam Deepavali - 'A' funny folk (even sounds like daandiya beat)
 
6. Kamma karaiyil - Kooththu (no comments)
 
70% is the net result when compared to his previous works. Pankaj

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