Hi Rahmaniacs....... We all call ARR our 'meastro','guru','boss'....... So...it is a fact, that, the guru knows much more than the shishya...right!!! Even for our reviews ,I think, its too early. Love ARR with all that he has and not only the "good" things he offers. Good or bad, we are little less capable of judging his creativity. NILIMA
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 Thulasi Ram wrote : >Vijay, you explained it well. some times jolted reactions make me feel if i >m actually in ARR fans group since people start to tear apart without any >heart. according to me, they go above their rights to express and start >acting weird. threads like those cause frustration and just because this >group wants to maintain decorum, i have to abide by it... like u, i wud >learn to laugh, may be 10 years from now :) >On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Vijay Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > I think I can sum up and give a perspective of why Gopal reacted the way > > he did. > > When there are no releases, there are innumerable posts on this group > > asking for release dates and superlatives going to the extent of saying "I > > cannot wait for XYZ soundtrack and believe me its going to be the best" blah > > blah... > > > > Simultenously, as people who manage www.arrahman.com, we keep trying to > > find out the most authentic information and since we are also part of the > > group, it is always the group which gets the information first hand. Also > > consider the fact that A R R himself would have worked hard to complete the > > soundtrack. > > > > And then at the end of it all, when after listening to 2-4 lines from a > > promotional song, comments like "I cant believe Rahman did this" or "This is > > really not Rahman of the 90s" blah blah start pouring, one doesn't know > > whether to laugh it away (which I have learnt to do over the years) or say > > "Sigh! after all the effort, this is really not warranted". > > > > True, every album / soundtrack may have pluses and minuses - And i say > > this for all musicians worldwide but a detailed review and thought sharing > > can happen later. > > > > Its only 2 days and only 2 lines from a song from a soundtrack which has 8 > > songs has been played and we are already debating. > > > > By the same logic, please tell me why Enigma, Deep Forest, Michael Jackson, > > Madonna, Nitin Sawhney, All the boy bands, Mark Snow, Jean Michel Jarre or > > even S E L, Vishal Shekhar, LP, Salim Suleiman, Harris Jayraj, Ilayaraja > > cannot re create the magic, popularity and the huge sales of their first few > > albums / soundtracks ??!!. > > > > I go by a logic and im urging you to go by it too which is that if we with > > our limited knowledge of music and access to limited people and limited > > technology know so much (in our opinion) surely an artist like A R R with > > the vast knowledge, access to so many talented musicians , filmmakers and > > other creative people and the latest technology will also know not only as > > much as we know but surely 2 cents more. > > > > So dear all - let us wait for Yuvvraaj which should release in the 3rd week > > of this month. > > > > Thanks > > Vijay > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM, arr_raghu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Well, Pravinder, if we love something beyond sanity and if somebody > >> criticizes it, the first reaction is anger..unless we are > >> some yogis..It is not that we cannot take criticism but > >> just that the frustration comes out as anger.. > >> that is what happening here with most of the people.. > >> It is their love for ARR rather than not able to take criticism.. > >> After few days, both sides know what those comments mean.. > >> > >> Coming to Kisna, The best track is kisna piano-flute instrumental. > >> It is a gem of a composition. Period. > >> Even though the instrumental is of the same tune as the main ballad > >> 'hum hain is pal yahan".. I somehow did not like that song for > >> few days.. I guess it is because of the initial verbal part which > >> did not convince me. > >> However, after many days, when I dont even have that in my mind, > >> it came back and haunted me..that is when I realized that it has > >> some subconscious effect.. > >> now, i do not consider it as a bad song at all.. > >> > >> If you want to mention Meenaxi, alright.. I have decided on one thing. > >> ARR has proved time and again that no one can make as soulful music as > >> He can.. I have no doubts on his abilities.. > >> He satisfied me beyond my expectations. > >> Now, only thing I wish him is the commercial success.. > >> Weather I like it or not is immaterial now, I only > >> want him to get that commercial success he deserves. > >> I do not want the media to write off his commercial value. > >> Let him do what clicks with mass too.. > >> Thats what made me like JTYJN and sakkarakatti,they got good reviews. > >> > >> > >> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > >> "Pravinder Sheoran" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Raghu, > >> > Thanks for taking my mail critically and not writing the stuff like "U > >> > r not ARR fan", "What r u doing here" etc. > >> > > >> > I still remember when 'Kisna' released, I did not like the song 'Hum > >> > hain is pal yahan' for many days. > >> > However all my friends (who accused me that all I appreciated was ARR > >> > and I was biased), they liked this song. > >> > I started liking this song after a long time. > >> > So maybe its the same case here, maybe i will be a great fan of this > >> > Yuvvraj song later on. > >> > Bust for the moment I just do not like it. > >> > >> > While everyone expressed their opinion, i did mine too. > >> > > >> > Same with JTYJN, while my friends enjoy it very much and they tell me > >> > how they were wrong in saying that I liked ARR blindly. > >> > They say that no one can make a great song like "Kabhi kabhi aditi". > >> > Its makes me happy coz finally common audience has also been reached > >> > by ARR. > >> > But for real happiness I would wait until next 'Meenaxi' releases. > >> > > >> > Regarding the current issue, there is a lot of frustration in the > >> > group. I first time saw Gops reacting with anger as well. > >> > Its true that a few people who want attention, write something against > >> > ARR and then everyone responds and they must be feeling happy about it. > >> > There maybe some Anti-ARR elements too here. > >> > But guys plz take it easy. > >> > Let us keep discussing whether we like less or more, we r still here > >> > for the same factor; ARR. > >> > > >> > Pravinder. > >> > > >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > >> "arr_raghu" <arr_raghu@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I do not know what made you feel so.. > >> > > but I am surly enjoying the new yuvvraaj sound. > >> > > > >> > > I know what the problem is.. > >> > > Taal came when ARR was still very fresh in hindi.. > >> > > in those days as there were no mimics, his sounds stand apart.. > >> > > And it could create an immediate impression on everybody. > >> > > But now, everybody is trying to produce the same rahman sound. > >> > > Its tough to stand apart.. even with his best work, it is difficult to > >> > > create the same impression as in 1990s. > >> > > That does not mean the music is inferior, it only takes time to > >> > > prove itself.. > >> > > > >> > > Anyway, whatever we heard is only starting part of the song.. > >> > > the sound is very clear..he added instruments one by one.. > >> > > nothing bad about it..as per your complaint,it is only about humming. > >> > > We did not get to hear the interludes.. that is where all the > >> > > treasure will be.. > >> > > > >> > > You say the first Taal trailer had best sound but what is it.. > >> > > There is no best in Taal..May be there were differences in those days > >> > > but now, I cannot pick what is best in Taal.. > >> > > is it Nahin Saamne? Ishq Ishq? Ramta jogi? Or Taal western? > >> > > Well, some people I know say Kariyena is best in Taal. > >> > > > >> > > -R > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > >> "Pravinder Sheoran" > >> > > <pravindersheoran@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi all, > >> > > > I absolutely agree with Chord here. > >> > > > I remember when JTYJN music released and Chord said it wasn't as > >> good > >> > > > as expected, I was so angry and had written against Chord. > >> > > > But later on I realized that its true, JTYJN was never as par ARR > >> > > > standards. > >> > > > > >> > > > Now with Yuvvraj trailer, ask your heart guys, what do you feel when > >> > > > you listen to that hummimg which by no standards seems to have been > >> > > > composed by ARR. > >> > > > > >> > > > Those who say that we should wait until full song releases; well > >> guys > >> > > > remember Taal tarilers, the best tune was released in the very first > >> > > > trailer. > >> > > > So don't expect that Ghai has some surprise hidden in this song. > >> > > > > >> > > > Please do not be angry, coz After listening Meenaxi or Jodhaa > >> Akbar, i > >> > > > can't digest JTYJN or this yuvvraj trailer. > >> > > > There is something seriously wrong here, I can sense that. > >> > > > After spending nights and nights talking about ARR with friends, > >> after > >> > > > trying my best to make everyone believe ARR was best, I can't > >> believe > >> > > > i would ever write such mail in this group. > >> > > > > >> > > > Pravinder. > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > >> "Chord" <purevibz@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > LOL.....Oh, I see. If we criticize anything about ARR's music, > >> > we're > >> > > > > not fans. LOL. This topic is not worth responding to after > >> this. > >> > > > > Let it go guys. I'm just as excited about Yuvvraaj as all of you. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > --- In > >> > > > > arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > >> Kumaresh-n <kumaresh.n86@> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > So called fans... > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2008/10/4 Gopal Srinivasan <catchgops@> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > One of those times that makes me wonder if Arr is better off > >> > > > without > >> > > > > > > fans > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > || V i s h w e s h || wrote: > >> > > > > > > > You guys... I don't understand that why are you in so much > >> > > > hurry to > >> > > > > > > present your thoughts after hearing only tiny bit of piece > >> > out of > >> > > > > the whole > >> > > > > > > soundtrack which could be much different than what is > >> presented > >> > > > in the > >> > > > > > > trailer... so why don't we listen to the whole thing first & > >> > then > >> > > > > only share > >> > > > > > > the wisdom... " The search is more important than the > >> > destination > >> > > > > " - a r > >> > > > > > > rahman - --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > >> wrote: > >> > > > From: > >> > > > > > > Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> Subject: [arr] After hearing a > >> bit > >> > > > of the > >> > > > > > > first Yuvraaj > >> > > > > > > > song..... To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Date: > >> Saturday, 4 > >> > > > > October, > >> > > > > > > 2008, 6:13 AM > >> > > > > > > > My thoughts.... . > >> > > > > > > > 1) People wishing for Taal II, forget it. No Taal hangover > >> > > likely > >> > > > > > > > with this record, and Rahman will never reach the same > >> heights > >> > > > as he > >> > > > > > > > once did in the late 1990s (it's only normal since every > >> > > > artist has > >> > > > > > > > their peak and it doesn't mean that Rahman cannot come out > >> > with > >> > > > > > > > brilliant work today, as he has proven many times recently). > >> > > > > > > > 2) Soundtrack will likely be quite commercial oriented with > >> > > > hummable > >> > > > > > > > melodies, but less of classical, old melody styles that we > >> > heard > >> > > > > in JA > >> > > > > > > > and Ada. > >> > > > > > > > 3) The tempo of this song is THE EXACT SAME TEMPO (speed) > >> > > that you > >> > > > > > > > hear in the instrumental piece on the website. May not mean > >> > > > > anything, > >> > > > > > > > just an observation. Frankly, I am a bit underwhelmed by > >> this > >> > > > > song SO > >> > > > > > > > FAR, which may just only be my perception and expectations. > >> > > > > > > > 4) I fear less ethnic percussion and more keyboard rhythms > >> > > in this > >> > > > > > > > soundtrack (as we just heard). > >> > > > > > > > 5) Expect lots of strings, choirs, piano, and other > >> symphonic > >> > > > > > > > arrangements (as we have also heard a bit) with less of > >> > > > traditional > >> > > > > > > > Indian instrumentation as Western classical music appears to > >> > > > be the > >> > > > > > > > musical backdrop for this film. > >> > > > > > > > 6) Rahman once said that the soundtrack is "mellow". Combine > >> > > that > >> > > > > > > > with words like peaceful and soulful, you get the idea. > >> > > > > > > > 7) Many will be initially disappointed with the music, as > >> > > > > comparisons > >> > > > > > > > to Taal and Kisna will be abound, but the music will > >> catch on > >> > > > later. > >> > > > > > > > Look for 1/5 review by Mr. Tootsie Pop of indiafm. > >> > > > > > > > Recent Activity > >> > > > > > > > 51 > >> > > > > > > > New Members > >> > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > >> > > > > > > > Ads on Yahoo! > >> > > > > > > > Learn more now. > >> > > > > > > > Reach customers > >> > > > > > > > searching for you. > >> > > > > > > > Y! Messenger > >> > > > > > > > Files to share? > >> > > > > > > > Send up to 1GB of > >> > > > > > > > files in an IM. > >> > > > > > > > John McEnroe > >> > > > > > > > on Yahoo! 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