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Hi Dave
 
I'm sure that others who have gone through similar processes will be able to offer more advice, but my thoughts on your dilemma are as follows:
 
With a go live date of 15th May, your only option is to go with vanilla out-of-the-box functionality.  It's probably going to take you that long to set up the new server, plan what data needs to be migrated (config, asset/cmdb, live tickets and history) and get that done, and do some simple testing. Also, if you have any external integrations for data sources, such as people data, those obviously need to be in place.  By itself, just doing that lot is probably optimistic for less than 2 weeks. Also, don't forget the licensing implications of going from change lite to full CM.
 
Doing a gap analysis between your current processes/functionality and what is in the OOTB applications is a task that is going to need a thorough understanding of both applications, and many sessions with process owners to identify the changes, see where new functionality replaces that in the existing apps, and plan what changes are really needed in the new app.  My guess is that this sort of process is going to take at least a couple of weeks (with proper buy-in and time from the process owners), and having identified the changes needed, another period of time after that to develop, test and migrate the new changes..... and then there's user training.  And don't forget proper documentation of your changes this time too ! Ball park, I'd guess you'd need a couple of months, depending on the level of changes needed.
 
I think you need to make sure that people know that what is being asked really isn't possible; either they need to change the go-live date and then plan a proper migration strategy with enough resources, or accept the vanilla app, prioritize the changes needed, and plan incremental functionality changes after the go live date.  The most important issue is to get them to accept the problem now rather than waiting until a couple of days before they expect to go live.
 
Looks like you're going to have an 'intersting' couple of months ahead. Hope this helps some
 
David Sanders
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Sent: 03 May 2006 11:12
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Subject: Migration from Helpdesk 4 to 6 ... timescales

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All,
 
Just a little history first.
 
We've been running helpdesk 4/ARS 5.1.1 for quite a few years.  We had our test server upgraded to ARS 6.3, ITSM 6 towards the back end of last year, but work pretty much stopped as performance was seriously bad.
 
After a lot of badgering of management, we finally got two new servers in place - one is in place and running with our test apps (ARS 6.3, ITSM6), the other is just sitting idle .... (which is a continual wind up, as our live server is having serious problems with its workload, I'm sure that the app and data migration onto that would be a pretty minor process).
 
Anyways, to cut a long story short, the planning/testing/etc for the migration just hasn't been happening due to timescales and staffing issues (sickness, holidays, and people just not seeming to be interested).  My manager has finally decided to allow me to allocate a lot more of my working day to getting the migration planned, tested and done
 
What has really gotten me interested/concerned is the timescales.  In effect I'm having to start from scratch, as none of my colleagues have really documented what they've gone through, and I've been told that I have to get it all ready for 15th May.  Scoping the whole application, getting necesary changes made, test data migrations, and the one I dont like - our change management is totally different to the standard packaged application (its based on the v4 lite change application, but with a lot of changes)
 
I really, really don't think that a week and a half is sufficient to get this migration completed, especially with the decision making processes - any changes that I want to make to the standard application will obviously have to be agreed upon, not just by my manager and my immediate team, but by key users of the applications (who I'm sure will want other changes as well).
 
Anyone else think that I'm going to have a difficult time with this?
 
Regards
 
Dave
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