Great idea. Sigh, the Attachment field just goes back on the form outside of the Tab that I selected.
Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** I would like for you to take that out of the equation too :) Have you tried removing the field from the view and adding it back? I am wondering if that will give you the ability to place it elsewhere before saving it in the view. I just thought about it. We have Dev Studio 7.6.04 on the app our 7.6.04 servers so I can try it out. Jason On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Shellman, David <dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>> wrote: ** When something doesn't work right on a complicated form I create simple forms so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation. If you're on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test. That would at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server out of the equation. Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago. I haven't heard back from them yet. I will keep folks posted with what I learn. Thanks Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:33 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities. This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it out on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out. What does BMC Support have to say about it? Joe ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field Joe, Doesn't matter if it's a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded to Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode. There is not an option to move an Attachment field to a Tab. I've been creating simple forms in various modes to test various combinations. Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** I must have missed that somewhere that it's a custom form. Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was accidentally created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the Best Practice mode, without creating an overlay. So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, to create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you will experience what you are right now. Joe ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field Correct this is custom forms and workflow. I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms. Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** Joe, Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base with an overlay...but I may be mistaken On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza <jdso...@shyle.net<mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: ** Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your original email but thought I'd wade through the list in case someone already pointed that out.. You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons why? Personally I feel it's a great tool, and not using it might eventually get you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your system to a state where they are actually useful, in case you'll eventually do decide to use overlays. I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being they can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 version) with some of the 'extra' steps you need to do in order to even implement a small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / minutes you spend on them I think. Joe ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field Dale, LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 server. Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Dale Jones Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** David, Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment Pool, the destination Page and Tab? May want to try in Base Mode. May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server. (Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know how to handle.) Take Care Dale Jones DCS Raleigh, NC 919-523-6034<tel:919-523-6034> ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] on behalf of Shellman, David [dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** Tried that. You get a message that the form types do not match. Dave On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" <julsell...@yahoo.com<mailto:julsell...@yahoo.com>> wrote: ** Dave, When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension). Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the base form (basically deleting the overlay)? Just a thought... ________________________________ From: "Shellman, David" <dave.shell...@te.com<mailto:dave.shell...@te.com>> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** Mark, If someone could verify it's a version issue or if it's an issue that also exists with 7.6.04 that would be great. We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we upgraded. He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer version is backward compatible. We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio. 7.6.04 had several shortcomings once an "unmodified" form had an overlay added. Since the forms were home grown from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to "custom" forms. 7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an Overlay which needs to be done before converting. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brittain, Mark Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** Hi Dave, The general rule has always been to use the same version of the admin/developer tool as the server version. So there might be something with the 8.1 developer that is not compatible. Mark From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Question concerning Attachment Pool field ** I'm seeing something odd with Developer Studio. Not sure it's me or something with Dev Studio. Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running on Oracle). We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form. I'm attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field. Drag and Drop doesn't seem to allow me to move the fields there. On a regular field, I can right mouse click and use the Move field option. However with an Attachment field, I don't see that option. I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can't seem to move an exist one. Am I missing something obvious? 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