Skip - I like it when people post things I disagree with - it makes blog life interesting. JJ, Dane, AsburyCouple, Rod and Joe have all altered my opinions even though I don't agree with them on everything. I like that people can make their case and change my opinion. Obviously I agree with you and Dan on many things, but let's leave room for people with different opinions. Otherwise - what's the point?
The all black and white thing leaves no room for discussion. Even though it's unlikely I'll vote for anyone but Ed Johnson on the council, the present Council did a few things very right. For example, the gay marriage vote was not only a vote of conscience it was also a very wise business move for Asbury. It provided a lot of positive press, made Asbury seem like a fun place and probably sustained an extension in second home purchasing. I'm sure the Council analyzed the business impact of the move. Personally, I think it was inspired and bold. I could go on but I just want to make the point that there are things on both sides worth discussing and shutting people down isn't the point.
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From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Skip Bernstein
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:19 AM
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Big influence - "live and let live"
You're largely right; Dane is doing no more than supporting the `party
line', in this case the party is that of both APAC's and tCN's.
Unfortunately, regarding the current council "live and let live",
ignoring council's past sins of omission and commission, prolongs the
threat to Asbury's life.
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> Dan:
> Everything doesn't have to be a huge fight. Dane is merely
> campaigning for his candidates. I don't see a diatribe in there at all.
> You know I don't agree with the choices but people are entitled to
> promote the candidates they believe in. If you want to take issue with
> the endorsement then that's great but I don't see a problem with how he
> did it.
> Some of what you say is true. APAC used no rating system for the
> candidates - so those of us willing to use APAC's research can't
> compare to the entire list of candidates to see how they might be on
> certain issues. Certainly Stuart Koperweis would have to have excelled
> on such a scale. Whenever a political group endorses a slate of
> candidates I look for their rating basis and apply it to all the
> candidates. Without a stated, comparative basis for an endorsement, I
> usually assume its based on favoritism, party insider, or, in the case
> of a small town like Asbury, friendship, clique or affinity. I think we
> in Asbury should be more concerned with an "us against them" attitude
> adopted from larger scale political contests than who will win this
> race. Camps form in politics and may be a necessary evil in larger
> scale contests. But in a small town I don't know that it's necessary
> and certainly has its draw-backs. The town is too small for
> blood-feuds. So how bout "live and let live?" You certainly have your
> say on this list - I think Dane is entitled to his.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:03:49 -0000
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Big influence ?
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> Dane's diatribe is not really worth responding to, but I'll do it
> anyway. In short he is saying that we should forgive the incumbents
> for what? Not being on spot even some of the time? What are their
> qualifications? Diversity? When did that become the litmus test for
> public office? Sorry, but I will take some homogenity in return for
> competence. And what is this constant talk about the other
> candidates' lack of experience? It is obvious that Dane and his
> cohorts have not examined some of the candidates' experience. Cote
> spent 15 years in Holmdel governmet, 2 of which were as mayor.
> Schneider is and has been on the AP Planning Board for many years,
> including as chair. Koperweis has worked with municipalities for the
> past two decades and helped put Jersey City on the economic map.
> Keady has organized substantial social causes and business plans for
> not-for-profits. Some of the others, including Lamberton and Suggs
> also have some similar experience. And what about John Hamilton? Is
> he not diverse enough? He certainly has experience serving two terms
> on the AP council, the last of which he was the only one with a
> backbone. And who is spreading hate? Very few here have said
> anything other objective criticisms. What, the council is allowed to
> do anything they want and no one can say anything? I have a message
> for Dane and his candidates, "if you can't stand the heat, get out
> of the kitchen." On paper, Loffredo, Sanders and Bruno shouldn't
> even be on the same ballot with the likes of Schneider, Koperweis,
> Keady, Cote, and some of the others, when it comes to experience and
> qualifications. I have another message for you Dane, COMPROMISE is a
> two-way street, not ASBURY PARTNERS BOULEVARD.
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