--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A constant accusation that I am "twisiting words" is the cry of
> someone who doesn't want to revisit his own past words. I'm
certain
> you and Jim can think of a better response than that. The truth
is
> I didn't twist words when I cut and pasted what you said, and the
> same for when I cut and pasted what Jim said.
I beg to differ but that will do no good of course. When asked, you
refused to show my postings ad compare them to what you said I said.
I any event, your reponse does a great job of refuting your original
post.
> Look, Jim's post said "People" have 3 shortcomings. It was clear
he
> was identifying Asbury Park people. You certainly didn't make
clear
> he was talking about anyone else. Maybe Jim should clear it up.
> Please name names, Councilman. Who are the folks you were
referring
> to?
He can speak for himself, but I assume he was referring to our city
leaders.
> As for who is an Asbury Parker? Well, my definition there has
> always been quite liberal. In short, Asbury Park belongs to anyone
> who wishes to claim it. Even though it is, corporately speaking,
> younger than many of the surrounding communities, a great deal of
> the faimilies in the surrounding areas came from here. The world-
> wide tourism of its past allows many other people happy memories
> that give them a connection here. To love it is to own it. It's
> like NY in that regard. That's why NY never cares if their Senator
> is from somewhere else (see Robert Kennedy and Hillary Clinton).
>
Then what's your beef?
> As for your questions about why can't anyone be a member of the
bar,
> you seem to misunderstand the role of the lawyer. It is to
advise,
> not decide.
And I took Jim's remarks to mean that persons with certain expertise
would ADVISE and not DECIDE. It appears that people with expertise
or who are charged with giving advice are not heeded by the decision
makers in any event based upon passed experience with this
redevelopment. Didn't the council ignore most of the planning
board's recommendations?
> When settling a case, I tell the client what juries are
> typically doing on similar cases and suggest ranges of settlement
> value. Do I decide? No. The client decides. In a criminal
trial,
> I counsel the client on whether he should take the stand. The
> decision is made by him.
>
You brought up the legal metaphor and as you now recognize its was
inappropriate. Juries? Mon Dieu! Do you suggest a true democracy? I
am aghast at it coming from a Limbaughite. It is not a jury of peers
calling the shots on redevelopment here in AP, we both know that.
> I never thought I'd have to explain Populist ideals to a Democrat.
But Tommy, please get it straight, I have said it here a few times
and on the airwaves that I am a registered Independent.
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