Tony, any chance you could bullet point the important parts? Ever since Tom Cruise told me to stop taking my ADD meds I'm having a hard time paying attention to long posts on here.
...to the Asburymusic board I go! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan, > With all sincerity and due respect: While what you are saying is > true, it is defintely not the entire truth of the matter, and can > even be considered 'spun' by some. The fact is that the 17th street > levee which busted was being workred on recently, but work was not > finished. The fact is that this levee was earmarked as far back as > 2002 for work by the army corps engineers, but diversion of funds to > Iraq delayed the start of the project significantly (of the 72 > million that was needed, the white house only approved a little over > 10 million, citing the need to fund the war in iraq). if funding had > been made available when originally approved by the legislature , > and not vetoed by the executive branch, the levee would have been > shored up. > > bush ran on promises of running the country as a ceo would. he has > certainly done that, and his perfomance is par for the course of his > ceo-track record. somewhere accountability needs to start. > > there can be no argument that severe nature-related damage was > unavoidable. that being said, the horrific extent that has occurred > is a direct result of the administrations zeal to satisfy the neo- > cons publicly stated policy. > > the fact that people live in a natural-disatser prone area is no > excuse for not providing them with due safety. especially after > being argued, studied and given due process through the entire > system of government our republic is architected upon. the fact that > the funding got denied where the buck stopped, requires public > acknowledgment, discourse and, ultimately, accountability. > > ================================================================= > Warning!!!..extreme political content follows..unless you are one > of open mind and willing to hear and read, for yourself directly > from the mouths of the horses in the stable, do not not proceed.. > on the other hand, if you want unbiased, fact driven information > concerning the directio of the coutry, read on (those who may have > trouble sleeping at night, may want to reconsider reading on.. > > seriously, and with all tounge removed from cheek, in discussion > on this topic with others, some readily agree that the imperial > aspirations of tghis administration are justified and even > neccessary. I respect that opinion, but feel that, at a minimum, > the facts need to be discussed for all interested persons to reach > their own opinion.. > ================================================================== > > As to the policy: it has its origins in the recently declassified > 1950 document NSC-68 (authored Paul Nitze). This documents a roadmap > of imperial aspirations which rely on preemptive strikes and taking > control, by force if neccesary, of natural resources. The modern > flavor of this plan, crafted as early as 1992 by paul wolfowitz and > later redited by cheney and colin powell to soften the very strong > world imperialism language. This strategy of glbal imperialism and > it needing to take root in the middle east is clearly defined in The > Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives > by Zbigniew K. Brzezinski. Their policy is a simple one. controlling > resources is the key to controlling the rest of the world. this is > the reason for our alliance with isreal, it has nothing to do with > israel controlling us, any notion of a 'chosen people', or blaming > israel for our war. again, this is about developing an overpowering > presence inthe middle east. the reason for going into iraq is two > fold (according to position papers authored by luminaries such as > wolfowitz, cheney, rumsfeld, and pearle among others)..to creatiing > a lasting military presence in northen and southern iraq in the > areas of oil fields, and driving a wedge in the islamic world by > putting an american prsence between iran, saudia arabia and syria. > all setting the stage for the neo-cons dream of an imperialistic > world. > > this is not a left wing nut-job conspiracy. i dare say the editorial > commentary of this post is minimal, and such editorial comments are > aimed at making sure these comments do not come under the banner > of 'conspiracy theory or snti-semitism..these statements are culled > directly from PNAC (project for a new american century..a think tank > formed by rumsfeld, cheney, wolfowitz, jeb bush, steve forbes.. the > list goes on and on) and IASPS (Institute for Advanced Strategic & > Political Studies) a jerusalem based think tank (founded by richard > pearle..the infamous 'prince of darkness' who simultaneously headed > the head of state campaigns for Bob Dole and Benjamin Netanyahu, > and who until recently was a 'private citizen' who chaired the > Defense Policy Board, and who was said to have to most 'ear time' > with bush than any other advisor) > > i know that i have now diverted discussion about a horrible disaster > into one about pure politics, but the situation demands such > introspection. Again, the flooding and horrific extent of infectious > disease threat has been directly exacerbated by the executive > branches veto of the needed funding provide the public some hope of > safety in the fact of this situation. The were not direct hits by a > cat 4 or 5 hurricane, but glancing blows by a cat 2. shored up > levees would have certainly saved numerous lives. > > in an effort to make sure my comments are not construed as > editorialized by me, i am including a litany of links to actual > position papers, official documents, etc where you can find the very > thing i have stated in their original context. > > if you'd like to continue conversation, id like to suggest that we > move it to the asburymusic.com political message board. I do not > want to run the possibility of alienating others on this board who > havemore general concerns, and even family in the jefferson parish > area who would rather avoid political commentary. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Special note: As with any well rounded presentation on a given > point, I am providing that provides verification of what I have > said. It is important to note that some of these sites, like the > PNAC site, have many more documents that are outside or on the > fringe of the topics discussed. For example, the PNAC site > has a document entitled Iraq: Setting the record sraight (2005) > > http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-042005.pdf > > This document presents the president side of why we went to war > with Iraq. I hearily encourage anyone interested in such things to > review all papers of interest to draw their own conclusions. > > I have intentionally left this paper out, as I feel undereducated > on the topic of 'what was actually known by who'. I am currently in > the process of educating myself in this area. that being said, I > considered including that specific PNAC document, but decided not to > after it led to countering its information with the downing street > memo > > http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html#originalmemo > > i mean, i got time on my hands, but not that much. I wanted to keep > this response at a high level of principles and policy not actual > implementation. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PNAC - Project for a new American Century: > http://www.newamericancentury.org/ > > Statement of prinicoles (along with impressive list of authors) > http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm > > A document outlining the cranking up of the war machine (2000) > http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf > > Interestingly, it claims that unless a 'pearl harbor' event occurs > (say like oh, 9/11..i guess) the battle for realizing this plan is > an uphill one. I want to make it clear that I am not publicly > asserting PNAC complicity with 9/11 or anything remotely close to > that. I am more making the point that they would be more than > willing to take advantage of such an event to impement the hard > road to making their vision a reality. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > IASPS (Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies) > http://www.iasps.org/about.htm > > About IASPS > http://www.iasps.org/about.htm > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > nsc 68(1950)declassified - Truman asks for position papers from both > the group soon to be known as 'cold war' advocates and those who > feel america needs to focus on itself instead of policing the rest > of the world. This is thepaper authored by paul nitze, grandfather > of the neo-con movement - > > http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsc-hst/nsc-68.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > truman library history of Paul Nitze - a informative interview on > how nsc-68 came about. Rooted in good intentionss (that another > Hitler never come to power), its implementation, in my opinion, > runs the risk of being a bigger failure than communism.. > > http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/nitzeph1.htm > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > washington post/NY Times article detailing infprmation about > pentagon position paper originally authored by wolfowitz and later > softened by cheney after a leak occured,. Note the explicit language > concerning the need to build israel military presence by cheney. > (1992) THIS IS A MUST READ BY ALL WHO HAVE READ THIS FAR!! > > http://www.yale.edu/strattech/92dpg.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Clean Break; A new strategy for securing the realm authored by > douglas feth and richard pearle for IASPS(1996) > http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm > > four options (IASPS) - Interesting position papers that basically > boil down to the conclusion that man's natural state is one of war, > that peace is useless and futile as it based on compromise. This is > a basic tenent of PNAC policy. > http://www.israeleconomy.org/opeds/oped9.htm > http://www.iasps.org/opeds/oped14.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PNAC letters to presidents/lawmakers strongly uring war with Iraq. > These letters date as early as 1998, and even go so far as to state > that "Israel's fight against terrorism is our fight. Israel's > victory is an important part of our victory. For reasons both moral > and strategic, we need to stand with Israel in its fight against > terrorism. " > > clinton (1998): > http://tinyurl.com/ey2ho > > gingrich/lott (1998) > http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqletter1998.htm > > bush (2003): > http://tinyurl.com/86zh > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Grand Chessboard > > http://tinyurl.com/apfuas > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > an interesting article on, among other topics, how charges of 'anti- > semitism' are often leveled against those who decry the neo-con > agenda as being pro-israel. again, my personal feeling is that the > neo-cons are the ones using the actual physical location of israel > to help meet their ends of midlle eastern domination, not that > israel is the one doing to string pulling: > > http://tinyurl.com/bwy2c > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > if anyone made it this far in this reply all I can say is, wow!! > I'm buying you a beer/shot/mineral water. You truly have earned > it. Drop me a line and we can arrange a night of drinking and open > minded exchange. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > tony > > > -- dfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > _Click here: t r u t h o u t | News Politics_ > > (http://www.truthout.org/) > > > > Tons of federal money have been poured into the New > > Orleans levee > > system over the past century. In fact, a bundle of > > money was just > > spent for a new levee system, the one that failed. > > The NYT had a > > good article out the first day the hurricane hit > > about the > > historical perspective of establishing and > > maintaining New Orleans. > > Once society made a committment to have a major > > settlement there > > with great density, it was married to a never ending > > funding just to > > keep their heads above water. The great attraction > > has always been > > its lure, however, there is just no sense having > > major development > > or density below sea level. You will always loose > > out to the forces > > of nature. Lastly, the levee system, by keeping > > replenishing silt > > out, contributes to the very same forces which > > causes further > > flooding. You cannot expect to build below sea > > level, or, on the > > edge of the ocean, and not expect to get wiped out > > time and time > > again. > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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