`"Jesus never counted on Government(s) for anything.  Exactly my
point.  He walked everywhere he went, never blaming or complaining. 
Even on one occasion he rode upon a donkey... on that day he was
heralded such as a King would be.  One week later the same mob
screamed at him and spit at him as they declared to the Government
"Crucify Him!"  Thanks for prooving my point for me."'

Are you and the BlindBishop related?  You've avoided responding to
anything in my post, something BB seems unable to avoid; then thank me
for proving a mysterious point of yours, not mentioned by me.  Jesus
counting on government, or anything else, is completely irrelevant to
this discussion.  

You appear to toss his name about when faced with an argument you
would rather avoid.  If you are in fact a bonafide man of the bible
and not, as it often seems, a common street hustler perhaps you'll
address the incongruity of praising Christ while defaming the poor and
less fortunate.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "noblarneyzone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jesus never counted on Government(s) for anything.  Exactly my 
> point.  He walked everywhere he went, never blaming or complaining.  
> Even on one occasion he rode upon a donkey... on that day he was 
> heralded such as a King would be.  One week later the same mob 
> screamed at him and spit at him as they declared to the 
> Government "Crucify Him!"
> 
> Thanks for prooving my point for me.
> 
> Kevin Brown
> 
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "…even the addicted who have struggled for  so long were always the
> > ones with the greatest mobility and could pick up and  get going
> > before any one else.  One shopping cart at a time.  Don't take the
> > ability to choose from people.  Fact is many chose to stay behind 
> and
> > unfortunately they suffered for it."
> > 
> > Pardon me for not buying into the notion that the poor "even the
> > addicted… were always the ones with the greatest mobility",
> > notwithstanding the mobility society provides them courtesy of the
> > paddy wagon.  Rev you claim to be a man of god, maintain that the 
> poor
> > are among those having the "greatest mobility" and absolve a 
> president
> > of all responsibility for his failure to perform one of his highest
> > duties, to save people and maintain order in a disaster.  
> > 
> > I have a vague recollection that Jesus worked for and walked among
> > lepers, the poor and destitute, that money and wealth had no 
> influence
> > over him; somehow I can't fathom the Jesus you praise tolerating, 
> much
> > less letting off the hook a rich boy whose highest order of business
> > is further enrichment of the obscenely rich and who when presented 
> the
> > choice to spend a small sum to repair a levee that threatened 
> hundreds
> > of thousands, chose to spend those funds on the bottomless pit of 
> his
> > Iraqi folly. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 9/4/2005 4:48:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> > > AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes:
> > > 
> > > "Some  people blamed the President for not responding to the 
> needs of
> > > the people  who elected not to evacuate before the storm hit."
> > > 
> > > Rev KeV, perhaps you  can enlighten the "people who elected not to
> > > evacuate" and us as to how  people without automobiles were to 
> pack up
> > > their families and belongings,  and move several hundred miles to 
> what?
> > > 
> > > We get that you're a true blue  (or is that red) republican, 
> likely
> > > have personally heard the word of god  and no doubt preach that 
> your
> > > particular god will help anyone that helps  themselves; but all 
> that
> > > begs the question, should the "people who elected  not to 
> evacuate"
> > > have robbed a bank so as to obtain the funds necessary to  help
> > themselves?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Public transportation was working before the storm.  I am sure 
> > their were 
> > > emergency services available to assist people to comply...  if  
> not
> > than they 
> > > should consider this before it happens again.  My point is,  no 
> one
> > person is at 
> > > fault here.  Certainly not the President.
> > >  
> > > SKIP really I am surprised at you...  I am not blue nor red.   
> Been
> > both, and 
> > > see the error of their ways.  
> > >  
> > > I hear from God as regularly as any man or woman tuned in.  I 
> wish I
> >  heard 
> > > clear enough to have warned some folks in The Gulf area about what
> > was to  
> > > happen, before it happenned.  But I ask you, even if God showed me
> > ahead of  time. 
> > > like he showed Noah, how many do you think would have 
> said; "Thank You  
> > > Brother Brown, let me get out of here now!"  and how many do you
> > think  would have 
> > > laughed at me? (at the very least)
> > >  
> > > As far as the Doctrine of God helps those that helps 
> themselves... I
> > do not  
> > > subscribe to that and the proof that set me free on that silly
> > notion was that 
> > >  JESUS DIED ONCE FOR ALL!  
> > >  
> > > Finally, Skip I have been downtown Long Branch among the extreme
> > needy and  I 
> > > had a daughter living in the French Quarter for three years while 
> she  
> > > struggled with drugs if you must know.  Why I even mention this is
> > because  I was 
> > > always amazed how the poor, even the addicted who have struggled 
> for
> >  so long 
> > > were always the ones with the greatest mobility and could pick up
> > and  get going 
> > > before any one else.  One shopping cart at a time.
> > >  
> > > Don't take the ability to choose from people.  Fact is many chose 
> to
> >  stay 
> > > behind and unfortunately they suffered for it.
> > >  
> > > Happy Sunday
> > > Kevin Brown




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