WHOOOO CARES!!!! Really, give it a rest.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In reference to Tommy's charge of my stalking him: > > > > > > > Nice of you to leave out all the rest of the email you sent me. I > guess you were afraid to make yourself look like a stalker if people > saw how many times you were mailing me in a day. > > > Here are all 9 private emails I sent within a 4 day period. Regarding his > slyly vague remark, "I reached out to you because you had at an earlier time > emailed me": The only other private email I sent him was a over a year ago > asking for lawyer recommendations > ============================================= > 10/12 You're all knee-jerk reaction. Keady's Columbus stance is > not Marxist. It may be unpopular among those Italians who are knee-jerk > anti-intellectuals, but it is not unreasonable. This Italian welcomes debate > among historians (and theologians, philosophers et al.) > ================================================ > 10/12 Tommy, > I am not a Keady supporter, but after 16+ years of Catholic school education > (Italian nuns, Irish brothers and finally Jesuits), I understand where he is > coming from; however I am leery of politicians who wear religion on their > sleeves. I think Keady is more sincere as a liberal Christian than any of the > phonies (Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, et al.) on the religious right that the > Republicans sold their souls to (along with racist Democrats after LBJ) in > order to win elections for the past 25-30 years. > > Just because we grew up with some "local customs" doesn't mean they are not > open to criticism by others. My Catholic grammar school's biggest fund > raiser back in the 50s was an annual minstrel show complete with black face > performances. > > The grammar school nuns taught us lots of things which were not true (lies) > about protestants and Jews. Blacks were totally off the radar screen even > though poor black neighborhoods in Nutley surrounded our parish of by-then > successful Italians. > > If you think real hard about it, all parents are dishonest with their > children at some level or other (Santa Claus, tooth fairy, and in many more > consequential ways). > > The Irish brothers debunked much of those nun-stories, and the Jesuits > introduced critical thinking to faith studies (theology). > > BTW: I was never molested by anyone in those communal (communist with a > small c) orders. > > Your throwing around of labels (capital C Communist, Marxist, etc.) is cheap > shotting. As soon as you use those words, you short circuit any real > thinking or debate (and the integrity of your column). Remember when you objected > to use of the words Hitler or Nazis in the Yahoo forum? > > BTW #2: Why is the city government involved at all with the Columbus Day > show? Shouldn't a good Republican like you want to privatize the celebration, > make it private (Italian American clubs)? > > Much of the above is off the top of my head and rather trivial. > > More importantly, I just think it is a shame that while you have the > "pulpit" in triCity, you fail to use it to justify (and educat your readers to) > issues really sacred to the traditional right wing. Instead you're mimicking > the likes of Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush and that ilk; besides, I think > the public is quickly tiring of that polarizing schtick. > > Have you reviewed lately any real American conservative thinkers: Wm. F. > Buckley, Barry Goldwater, etc.? > > See "Slothful Conservatism" in follow up email. > > Also HBO is currently airing a great documentary on Goldwater. > > Regards, > ======================================================= > 10/12 A long Statement from the American Conservative Union. Nothing > composed by me. > ========================================================= > 10/13 Tommy, In reference to your comments: > > > Do you know what hurts worse than calling a black man the N word? Telling > him he is over-reacting when he gets upset about it. > > I'd rather be accused of over reacting than some of the things your column > accuses others of: traitors, pinkos, etc. > > > > As for kids, I'm pretty well experienced x 4. You can't discuss every > subject in the world with them, and different kids will handle subjects at an > earlier age than others. You have to know their personalties. Keady the > "educator" will find that out someday. If he thinks I'm going to sit down with my 6 > year old on Columbus Day and discuss rape and murder, he's an asshole (aside > from the fact it isn't correct). At 6 I can discuss the founding of his > Country and instill some pride in him. It doesn't mean I'm dishonest with him. > > I know all that after 35 years of teaching. Columbus didn't found this > country. Some say he "discovered" this geographic area. Do you ever discuss the > liberal "enlightenment" founders of his country. How about the beauty of a > country which started out favoring only land-owning white men and has > progressed to fulfilling most of the founders' ideals through the mechanisms they > put in place. > > > > > I have a book on Martin Luther King, Jr. detailng his accomplishments that I > read to my kids on his birthday. Am I supposed to stop in the middle and > say, "By the way, in the interest of full disclosre, he cheated on his wife." > Good grief. > > There you go again with that Strawman strategy. The above would be as > inappropriate as the full machinery of the R party spending over $60 million for > several years distracting this country with all sorts of sordid details such > as Clinton's cigar and Monica's dress. Good grief is right! > > > > Oh, Santa Claus makes me dishonest? Respectfully, you need a better > definition of what dishonesty is. > You missed the point about various levels of untruths, Santa and T fairy > being examples of inconsequential ones. > > > > > I've got Keady pegged. Asbury is a resume padder for him. He has no > global view of the City because he coudn't care any less about it. > > As I said, he didn't get my vote. But man, you're over the top I think with > "couldn't care less." > > > > > It seems to me the more we discuss this matter, the further apart we get. > > Yes because you always seem to conveniently focus on certain phrases with > which you can create strawmen and ignore the main components of an opposing > viewpoint. > > > > I just don't think we're going to get anywhere on this issue. > > Probably not on most issues. To quote from an earlier email of mine to you, > I find your rhetoric and debate style as being "textbook examples of > "Poisoning the Well and Other Personal Attacks." (e.g., "I once asked a long-haired > maggot-infested FM-type environmentalist wacko who he thought was > threatening the owl.") > =================================== > 10/13. A paste from C-Span about an upcoming interview with Republican John > Danforth. Nothing composed by me. > ========================================= > 10/14 Tommy, In reference to your comment: > > > If you have a moment, I was hoping you could take a look at my new blog, > _www.JustifiedRight.com_ (http://www.justifiedright.com/) . It even has a Jersey > Shore Blog page. Maybe leave a comment and please click on my ads! Let me > know what you think (didn't you used to have one of these? "Asbury Libbrahl" > or something like that? I might be thinking of someone else maybe). > > The blog that you're referring to was simply called _Menagerie_ > (http://marioapnj.blogspot.com/) . > > Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions or grasping at straws, as you often > do, but your recall and spelling of the word as "Libbrahl" was a red flag to > me, revealing to me once again, maybe unconscious on your part, the intense > disdainful attitude you have for the liberal tradition in this country. It's > one thing to disagree, another to disparage; but alas for our country, > disparagement, not debate, seems to be the order of the day > > There can be no civil debate when one person has such underlying contempt > about his opponents views. Your spelling of that word is a perfect mimick of > Limbaugh' s "dripping 'Ls' " when he uses that word. > > Thus, the task of replying went on the "back burner." > > > Anyway, If you could share with the Yahoo Groups, I'd owe you yet another > favor (how many is that now?). > > Whenever I did share your emails with Yahoo groups, the responses were not > very flattering, and so I refrained from sharing them with you. Some > respondents claimed that your triCity columns were purposely outrageous to stir up > foment and increase triCity readership. I did consider that possibility, but, > since your Keady column has metastasized from your column to your blog and > the Yahoo group, I think you've crossed the line. > > Tikkum Olam, > > Mario > ===================================================== > 10/14 Tommy, In reference to your comment: > > > > You certainly conduct a great deal of psycho-analyzing of me below over the > use of the word "librahl." > > I wouldn't say 2-3 paragraphs is a great deal. And the analysis isn't > merely over the use of that word. I did say "once again" because I recall how > much of your columns drip with disparagement rather than with any intellectual > vigor: the Murtha article comes to mind immediately (especially your quote > from Saddam which he never said); then there are such terms as "dummycats," not > mean spirited, but certainly childish. > > > > Now I'll admit I'm not the psycho-analyzer you are, but I think your > analyzing me with so many negative thoughts over that word reflects in you a desire > to paint me that way. I don't think you like me very much. > > Now who's psychoanalyzing? It's not about that one word. And it's not about > you, Tommy. You go public with your sophomoric analyses, you should expect > come-backs. > > > > I know it is easy to believe that people that are conservative are mean like > you describe me below. > > What is it with you? You really don't read with comprehension or memory of > what someone says. I consistently point out conservatives whom I admire > (Buckley, Goldwater, Brooks, Tierney, and other non-mud wallowers on the right). > And more and more people on the right are demonstrating their integrity and > patriotism these days by breaking from the party line now that our country's > foreign policy... (I digress.) > > Instead you focus on trivialities said about you and then react like a > victim. Your rhetoric is AM radio Rush/Rove/Coulter stuff, and I sincerely > believe that, after 20ish years of that, it is hurting our country--Big Time. > > > > You see, Mr. and Mrs. Keady believe in free speech as long as it is theirs. > My free speech of dressing my kids for the Columbus landing didn't get their > respect - If got me called "Fucking Idiot" "Fucking lunatic" and "Jerk." > Oh how respectful of the opinions of others! Do you think that might have > been on my mind when writing my column? > > I'll repeat, I never voted for him, and I don't like his priorities for > Asbury Park. This town needs to get back on its feet before it can afford much > more of Christian charity (what you would call pinko activities). > > > > I bet though you'll still think I'm the guy with contempt in his heart and > not them. The false labeling comes with the territory of being conservative > - I'm used to it and can't do anything about it so I won't even try. > > I said disdain, not contempt, I think. It's that neo-con moral superiority > thing (think smarmy "Santorum") you seem to wear on your sleeve. > > No I wouldn't be surprised if Keady turned out to be a hypocrite, or even > (hang on, here comes a major Bush vocabulary word) an "evil-doer." We on the > left are a lot more skeptical of the holy guys. That's why I sicced the > [sic] on the Rev Kev. (BTW: That "whomever" you used above deserved a [sic]. > lol) > > Where would your party be today without Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Pat > Robertson et al.? > I see below that any affiliation with me causes you grief from others. I > don't want your reputation ruined for knowing me, so I'll ease you of that > burden. You need not interact with me. You can let whomever they are know that > you told me off but good so you can get back in their good graces. > Sorry if I wasn't clear about the above. I got no grief personally; I > meant to indicate that the Yahoo responses contained mainly "disses" about you > and your columns. As a "compassionate liberal," I tried to shield you from > them. > > Read some of your words above again; man, and you righties talk about the > self-pitying victim-syndrome! > > Interestingly enough, I never met you or Keady personally, but I suspect > that I would prefer having a beer with you than with him. > > Hmmmm. Wait a minute. Isn't that why many voters said they voted for Bush > rather than Kerry? > > Tikkum Olam, > > Mario > ================================================= > 10/15 Another major conservative voice on TV tonight All promo from > C-Span. Nothing composed by me. > ============================================= > 10/15 Tommy, In reference to: > > > You certainly conduct a great deal of psycho-analyzing of me below over.... > > You based that comment on 2 or 3 sidebar-type paragraphs, and I've already > responded to that. > > But consider the following: > > I checked out your link to the video which you claimed showed that Zinn > advocated assassinating the president. I watched it several times. > > 1. In that clip, the image of the aimed gun lasted about two seconds. > 2. That image was apparently placed there, next to Zinn, by whoever created > the video. > 3. I found nothing indicating that Zinn approved of that juxtaposition. > 3. I haven't yet found the origin of that image; my guess is that it is > connected with a movie that will be released Oct 27. _Looking for Sleepers in > a Wake-Up World - New York Times_ > (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/movies/08farb.html) > > Could you not be accused of a major stretch or, worse yet, "Swiftboat > Journalism": > 1. Two second gun clip. 2. placed next to clip of Zinn by someone other > than Zinn. 3. Keady recommends reading Zinn. 4. Calls for Keady's resignation > in print and on the web. > > Should you go to the NYT link above, please also consider the following > before writing a column about the movie: > > 1. The film is being released by the company that released "The Passion of > the Christ." > 2. The web site for the film includes a clever stratagem: links to reviews > by people who saw the film, and links to reviews by people who haven't seen > the film. > > > Mario > ================================================== > Finally, regarding your comment that I should get out to hear what others > are saying about the councilman: > > I heard what others have said. And too many of them are tossing the word > "Commie" around. That scares the shit out of me. As far as I'm concerned, you > are at least in part, a major part, responsible for that. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! 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