That was my interpretation of his comment as well. There are pro's and con's to any solution. Zero tolerence is certainly one worth discussing. There simply isn't a solution to this problem that is easy, that everyone will agree on and that doesn't come along with side-effects that are not intended but impossible to avoid. Tough enforcement has consequences. So does lax enforcement - we're seeing those right now.
Don't know if Zero Tolerence is right - but I do know it was pretty effective in NYC. Not perfect. But effective. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On 12/9/2006 at 7:56:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > the use "Marshall Law" was ill-advised but the focus of the > post was really about bringing on the best posible talent to our > local police and having strict enforcement of existing laws > including quality of life offenses. > > > > > I think you're referring to the concept of "Zero Tolerance" where municipal > enforcement is applied to minor offenses such as jaywalking and littering as > well as more serious crimes. It's a tactic which has also been adapted for > school systems in trouble. I think it's synonymous with the "broken window" > theory of law enforcement. I remember its becoming famous (or infamous) > during the Giuliani administration in NYC. Lots of pro/con info on the internet. > > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: An open letter... Date: 12/9/2006 7:56:47 A.M. > Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) > Sent on: > > > > > > > Personally I think you missed the point a bit of that post a bit - I > think the use "Marshall Law" was ill-advised but the focus of the > post was really about bringing on the best posible talent to our > local police and having strict enforcement of existing laws > including quality of life offenses. I don't think the point was to > enforce curfews and suspending personal freedoms as is the essence > of Marshall Law. My guess is that was used more as a figure of > speech. The rest of the post below seems to be reasonable. > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , > "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You want to declare martial law, do you? It means that for those > of > > us who obey the law, a curfew will be set, troops will be in our > > streets and almost certainly, suspension of habeas corpus, denial > of > > council, suspension of the constitution on people, that's YOU, who > > have done, NOTHING! If you don't live in AP, shut UP! There are > > times, I have to pick up my daughter, from the train station, after > > midnight, because she attends classes in NYC. Who the hell are > YOU, > > to want to do such a thing? You'd disrupt the lives of those who > work > > nights, holidays, etc., in far locales, because there are NO jobs, > > here! Medical emergencies happen in the middle of the night. I > know! > > My husband had a mild heart attack, when? 2:30 in the morning, > > that's when! I drove him to the hospital, why? I needed to be > able > > to come and go to take of business, he couldn't, that's why! Hell, > > I'll Move, that's what! We already have a theocracy operating in > > Washington and THANKS to the Democrats, these bible-beating > > hypocrites, will be GONE in January! Everyone in America isn't a > > christian. Just as Jews were rounded up in Germany, Poland and > other > > European countries, you have muslims being rounded up, detained, > > beaten and denied their civil liberties. Hell, give me a ticket > and > > I'll take my black a**, back to Africa! Then, you'll have your > > Mexican slaves to work for slave wages, here for you! You > > class-conscious bunch of hypocrites! > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , > MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 12/7/2006 at 7:52:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apoojo@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > HIRE THE BEST, hire the ones who will enforce the laws, all > laws > > > including quality of life issues ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's much to be said for the broken windows theory, a.k.a. > > quality of > > > life issues. > > > > > > Go for it AP! > > > > > > ========Original Message===== > > > Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: An open letter... Date: 12/7/2006 > > 7:52:14 P.M. > > > Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:apoojo@ Easte > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]@_As_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) > > Sent on: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _Asbur > > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) > , > > > "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > An open letter to this board and to the City Council: > > > > > > > > Rome is burning right here in Asbury Park, Let's stop talking > > > about BS and start > doing something. > > > > > > > i totally agree rome is burning, what is the answer? declare > marshall > > > law and call in the state police to clean up this mess? not a > bad > > > beginning! I read today we will be hiring more police officers, > > > while this will raise our taxes i have no problem with that, i > only > > > ask no I DEMAND one thing, HIRE THE BEST, screw the local > list , > > > screw the civil service list, open it to the county or state > list > > > HIRE THE BEST, hire the ones who will enforce the laws, all > laws > > > including quality of ilfe issues and not the ones who will turn > their > > > backs because they went to high school with someone, HIRE THE > BEST, i > > > expect to take some flack from this statement, and to you asses > who > > > do not believe this could happen just go to the library look up > the > > > articles, see the pictures of police officers hired in the past > > > because the fix was in being taken out in handcuffs, JUST HIRE > THE > > > BEST , i do not think that to be an unreasonable request. > > > > > > Yahoo! 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