Don't be jealous, those of you who've been wishing for some time that Fred would be done with you. I got the record, only a couple of hours! All you need to do is make valid points to overload his/her feeble mind. Do you think it is a coincidence that the endless windbag decided to stop arguing with me now, or was he advised to by his constituents over that can of worms? HMMM?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well this deteriorated pretty quickly... > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <asburydogma@> wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" <robert@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm done with you Bikeboy. > > > > > > > > > > Of course it is fred. I'm bored with you; don't talke it personally > > > if I don't respond to you any more. I don't know why you're so > > > threatened by me with all my invalid points. I don't blame you or > > > anyone else who denounces me for protecting your investments here. > > > You want them to pan out, that's understandable. I would have liked > > > to see mine pan out to. You should really drop the corruption > > thing, > > > Tell him, Tommy! > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <asburydogma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" <robert@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's apples and oranges. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be the first to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > No corruption here, right? Makes you wonder why seized info from > > > the > > > > > BOE. nuff said > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <asburydogma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <asburydogma@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" > > > > <robert@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are making some serious charges of corruption. I'm no > > > Lawyer > > > > > but > > > > > > you could be held liable, right Tommy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should reread his post he said Bruno was intimadated. If > > > you > > > > > had > > > > > > > done your homework it wasn't Bruno who demanded the > > > enforcement > > > > > of > > > > > > > that ordinance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was July, and I know it was intimidation in his own > > words; > > > > > > beleive > > > > > > > > it or not, underneath all of my rhetoric, I know what I'm > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > about. But if it was football players that intimidated > > him, > > > > why > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > he immediately go after bicycles, gioing so far as to > > > > implement > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > hr "emergency" enforcement. It makes even less sense now, > > > > > unless > > > > > > > he's > > > > > > > > trying to deny implementing said rules. Furthermore, if > > > your > > > > > > still > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > denial, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly, I don't > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > > > spend all my time and energy in a frivolous attempt at > > > > proving > > > > > > > > corruption against the city. It's obvious to anyone > > willing > > > > to > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > their eyes. That's for you guys whose hearts are still > > > here. > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this and other forums to warn others about the false > > > > reporting > > > > > in > > > > > > > > media about this place, and offer some of the truth about > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > > > really is to live here. Yes, I still live here, and know > > > what > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > daily. Bravo on being bruno's freind, must not be easy > > from > > > > > what > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <apoojo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" > > > > > > <robert@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i did what you suggested i called him and asked him, he > > > > said > > > > > it > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > an august night, a majority of the lights on the bdwalk > > > > were > > > > > > out, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 8 to 10 kids were playing football on the bdwalk, > > almost > > > > > > knocking > > > > > > > > > over an enderly man in a wheel chair, not bruno, and he > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > use the word intimidated, to that issue not bikes... > > > again > > > > as > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > corruption to say you reported it to the city, but they > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > care, > > > > > > > > > did you ever hear of the words county prosecutor, or > > > better > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > CHRISTIE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have reported it (corruption), only it's to the > > city. > > > > > They > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > obviously not interested in what I have to say. If > > > > someone > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > collect my info in a forum where it would be properly > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > processed, I'd offer it up; but I haven't found > > anyone > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > in the truth. I can prove what I say, but it's not > > the > > > > > > > bombshell > > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > > of corruption, like someone lining their pockets with > > > > > > taxpayers > > > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > > kind of stuff; just how people use their public > > > positions > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > selectively enforce laws,and intimidate > > > > merchants/citizens. > > > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > pockets being lined in the process? Almost certainly. > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in Asbury is hearsay, isn't it? That's the problem. > > > > > > > Furthermore, > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > can respectfully agree to disagree. I know that I saw > > > Jim > > > > > > Keady > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > least two occasions on BB boards on his bike, while > > > their > > > > > > > > ordinance > > > > > > > > > > was in effect. Also, from the time I arrived to set > > up > > > my > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > march of '05, I spent more time on that boardwalk > > than > > > > > ANYONE > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > over the next year; and I mean every day. So what I > > > > report > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > councilmen is just what I experienced in that time > > > frame. > > > > > > > > Although > > > > > > > > > > Keady was up there for more than the just the news > > > > stories. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > least two occasions Brunbo was too; one of these was > > > the > > > > > > > > > intimidation > > > > > > > > > > episode. And when I call it intimidation, I'm using > > his > > > > own > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > ask him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" > > <apoojo@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" > > > > > > > > <robert@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have no reason, not to believe some of your > > > posts,im > > > > > > sorry > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > happened to you did and wish you luck,however i > > > > disagree > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > > > > of your statements, knowing j. bruno for many years > > i > > > > > have > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > known him to be intiminated, by anything let alone > > > kids > > > > > on > > > > > > > > bikes, > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > also disagree with your statement that he is only > > on > > > > the > > > > > bd > > > > > > > > walk > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > photops, that is totally untrue. i also dont > > believe > > > > > > > councilman > > > > > > > > > > keady > > > > > > > > > > > would knowingly break the law as you stated. i also > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > you know of corruption going on in this city , you > > > said > > > > > it > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > wrong not to report it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the pedaler. Realize first, that I have no > > > > reason > > > > > to > > > > > > > lie > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > web page. I put down the facts the way that I see > > > > them. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > with the very best of intentions of starting and > > > > > keeping > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > here. I don't know where the demand originated; > > > just > > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > police > > > > > > > > > > > > were the ones sent down to inform me. Terry Reidy > > > had > > > > > > told > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bike lane coming very soon, and I had the word > > > (with > > > > > > plenty > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > witnesses) of Mark Kinmon and Amir Berkovitz that > > > my > > > > > > > rentals > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > not have a problem on the boards. I even told > > them > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > needed to know was that I was looking to invest > > in > > > an > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > fleet of bikes. So, on their word (obviously > > > > unofficial > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > AP), > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > spent $14,000.00 for that new fleet. Jim Bruno > > was > > > > the > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > intimidated by gang of youths, with lights out, > > > > on "his > > > > > > > > > > boardwalk" > > > > > > > > > > > > (which he hasn't been on since); and vowed never > > to > > > > > feel > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > again. Furthermore, if the Partners had no > > > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > impending > > > > > > > > > > > > troubles with the city, why did they specifically > > > put > > > > a > > > > > > > rider > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > (illegal) lease for the '06 season. I don't blame > > > > them > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, they already had the knowledge that > > the > > > > city > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > potential to spite itself. But, In went on the > > word > > > > of > > > > > > city > > > > > > > > > > > officials > > > > > > > > > > > > at the highest levels; only to be screwed, and > > then > > > > > > > > ostracized. > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone up there can attest to the lack of > > security > > > on > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, the police were very good > > with > > > > > > > response, > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > > they were called. The partners security was > > > however, > > > > > > > > > particularly > > > > > > > > > > > > in '06, useless. Furthermore, I realize, as > > should > > > > you, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > defending the city and partners have their self > > > > serving > > > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > so; but are by no means representative of the > > > truth. > > > > I > > > > > > > offer > > > > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > > > > > for my words. There are plenty of records, > > > > > documentation, > > > > > > > > > photos, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > videos, not to mention the current status of the > > > > city, > > > > > to > > > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > I say is the truth. If you've read my web page, > > > that > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > scratches > > > > > > > > > > > > the surface of my gripes; I've gone easy on the > > > > > partners > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > put the blame, deservedly so, on the City. But > > > > believe > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > partners are incompetent and, in fact, evil in > > > their > > > > > own > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't need me to tell you that. I am eager to > > > > > partake > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > other discussions; so you don't need to speculate > > > > about > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will offer it honestly, as I see it. Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson > > > > > > > > <nnjallans1@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder who made the demand. I think the city > > > > holds > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > responsibility in this. Partners brought a > > > business > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > boardwalk. If the city demamded him to close > > that > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > responsibility of partners. The counsilman > > should > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > annoyed > > > > > > > > > > > > that there is a bike shop on the boradwalk but > > the > > > > real > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > why is there so little pollice / security on the > > > > > > > boardwalk. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > know what partners has to provide but the city > > > should > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > police > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > addition. I see it as the city driving away a > > > > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: dfsavgny <dfsavgny@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:24:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike > > > Pedaler - > > > > > > > > > > > Worth > > > > > > > > > > Quoting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan > > > Peterson > > > > > > > > > > > > <nnjallans1@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who made this demand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you hoping it's JK? Iknow he tried to get > > > abike > > > > > > lane > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > shot down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does no one see the bigger picture here? itis > > > > bigger > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > bikes > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bw. It is the failure of the bw. Did I read > > that > > > > > > Gertrude > > > > > > > > > Hawk > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be > > > > > > > > > > > > > back either? Lights out on the bw. Lights out > > on > > > > > Grand > > > > > > > > across > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > Library Square I don't know how long? JCP&L. > > > That's > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > > > > that from the dais at a council meeting. How > > bout > > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > city > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you have been elected to run? How about > > the > > > > buck > > > > > > > stops > > > > > > > > > > here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always ready for photo ops and faux landings. > > Is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > redevelopment > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > hype? It is or it isn't. Prove its not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any questions? 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