Jennifer I'm on you side. I agree with you and what you said. I think this
group has a problem with staying on the subject at hand. I think they just like
to disagree with what ever is said and try to stuff it down your throat. The
best way to talk around here is to say your piece then ignore the rest.
----- Original Message ----
From: Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 5:15:45 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Note to Paul Vail
No. I did not call their evangelism offensive. I was offended that
the mission was not offering shelter unless homeless men converted to
their faith. That is more like the crusades or the Spanish
inquisition than evangelism. I think forcing your faith on people is
wrong. That is my opinion. I think not helping people who need help
unless they join your faith is inexcusable.
There are many fine programs run by faith based groups that help all
people who need them. If that were the case here then the group's
faith would have never entered my conversation or thoughts.
If you read my post again then you might see that the turning out of
those who did not convert without help or referrals lead to a safety
issue. This was not a simple issue. There were many concerns about
the practices of the mission. Their faith was not the issue it was
their practice of truly helping only those who embraced it.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright"
<justifiedright@ ...> wrote:
>
> Jennifer's comment below makes it even worse.
>
> She calls their evangelism "offensive."
>
> Paul Vail reads this board, and he ought to speak up and clarify
this
> quickly.
>
> SUFA was supposed to be about safty, not condemning anyone's
religion.
>
> What's the story, Paul?
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jennifer" <jennifernjca@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Tommy,
> > It wasn't a fight against any religion per se. What I believe
Paul
> > is referring to is the lack of a real program to treat the
> addictions
> > and/or psychological problems that are often present in some
> homeless
> > populations. The mission described their "treatment" on their
> > earlier web page as requiring the men to sleep on the sanctuary
> > floor, accept the faith of the mission (which was non-
> denominational
> > christian). So if you were a Jew, Buddhist, Catholic, Jainist,
> > Baptist, Atheist or anything else you had to accept the mission's
> > religious doctrine in order to stay inside the mission.
> > To me this is offensive. I also don't see how it helps. It is
one
> > thing for a person to choose a faith and that can help with other
> > issues, but on an icy cold winter day many may be forced to
convert
> > (or pretend to) in order to stay warm. There is also the issue
of
> no
> > other programs for their population. They would simply turn the
> ones
> > who did not sleep on the sanctuary floor and convert out onto the
> > streets to find their way.
> > In my opinion, it was that practice that made the mission seem
> quite
> > dangerous to both the residents of the city and the men who they
> > would shelter, but not provide additional referrals or assistance
> to
> > their underlying needs.
> > Jennifer
> >
>
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