Again, I fear I have to completely agree with this mailing - why am I bothering to respond? You-all know it all!

John L


Bruno.Konik wrote:
Ed, I think you're right on the point that size constraint must be respected but this doesn't mean that the encoding (the bits that are effectively transmitted) respects it in the case of BIT STRING with named bits. Actually, the decoder must give a 'respecting constraint' value to the application. So, in the case of Ulrich, the sender who has removed trailing '0' bits is rigth and the decoder who issues an error because size is not respected in the encoding is wrong. It is my understanding of ITU-T X.690 § 8.6.2.4 and § 11.2.2. In BER nothing prevents the encoder to send a number of bits respecting the constraint but in DER it is clearly forbidden. In both cases, the decoder has to decode with no error and give a correct value to the application.

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It is my opinion that the size constraint in this case must be
respected; otherwise, it has no meaning. Clearly, the person who
wrote this definition wanted the bit string to be between 15 and 32
bits in length, otherwise the size constraint would not have been
added. As to precise language in the standards stating this, I
could not find any.
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Wiehe Ulrich <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:27 AM
        Subject: [ASN.1] Question on BER

Dear ASN.1 experts



        In order to solve an interoperability problem resulting from
        different interpretations of ITU-T X.690, your help on the
        following question is very much appreciated:



        A BER encoded message contains a data type for which the
        abstract syntax is defined as



DataType ::= BIT STRING {

bitOne (0),

bitTwo (1),

bitThree (2),

bitSeven (6),

bitEight (7),

bitNine (8),

bitFour (3),

bitFive (4),

bitSix (5),

bitTen (9),

bitEleven (10),

bitTwelve (11),

bitThirteen (12),

bitFourteen (13),

bitFifteen (14),

bitNineteen (18),

bitTwenty (19),

bitTwentyone (20),

bitTwentytwo (21),

bitTwentythree (22),

bitTwentyfour (23),

bitTwentyfive (24),

bitTwentysix (25),

bitTwentyseven (26),

bitTwentyeight (27),

bitTwentynine (28)} (SIZE (15..32))



The entity sending the message encodes this data type as:



03 TAG

02 length

00 no unused bits

80 bitOne set to 1, bitTwo to bitSeven set to 0



        The entity receiving the message does not accept it due to the
        SIZE constraint not being respected and performs the appropriate
        error handling.



        Now designers of the sending entity argue that ITU-T X.690 §
        8.6.2.4 and § 11.2.2 allow the encoder to encode the data type
        as shown above whereas designers of the receiving entity do not
        share this view and insist on the SIZE constraint being respected.



Dear Experts,

        please let me know which of the above interpretations of ITU-T
        X.690 is correct and whether or not X.690 is incompatible to
        X.209 in this respect.





Thank you in advance



Ulrich Wiehe



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