Mikeda,
Yes, please do call me Rajib.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this. If indeed
there is a blueprint that lays out the economic case
for sovereignity, I would be very interested in
knowing that.
Rajib
--- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
---------------------------------
Dear Rajiv- can I call you that?
Please give me a few days.
You have genuine doubts-and you deserve replies.
Don't give up thinking - I wrote to you "Think
again...."
Best wishes
mm
---------------------------------
From: Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:49:38 -0700 (PDT)
>Oracle-da,
>
>The need to provide priority to its own constituents
>over another sovereign state. The exact same reason
>why the India, Burma, Thailand road runs through
Assam
>and Manipur and not through Bangladesh as is
envisaged
>today.
>
>To be the "redeemer" will take a significant amount
of
>money and expertise. Money and expertise will come if
>the big powers agree to route through Assam. Taking
>the scenario of a sovereign Assam, if India does not
>give its confidence of using it as the economic
center
>of the economic networks in that region, nor will any
>other country including China. These countries will
>make peace with the devil if the devil has the might
>to maintain order in the region. If India abdicates
>its responsibility to maintain order here, guess who
>else will? My guess - it will not be a sovereign
>Assam.
>
>Mikeda, we simply need more logic and more convincing
>:-)
>
>The alternative IMHO is not a growing cancer.
>
>The need for sovereignity is not established in a
>coccoon. Sovereignity is closely linked with economic
>prosperity and the addressing of opportunities.
>
>Does India have the military might to bring order to
>the region? Absolutely. At this point it is perhaps
>not prepared politically to have its own citizens pay
>the price that needs to be paid. The economic costs
>are not so high either. Like I said the prospect of
>returns can be so high, countries in the region will
>find a way - either to bring order or insulate
>themselves from it.
>
>The alternative - the growing cancer you talk of - is
>not something that the citizens of Assam will lap up.
>I guess we all know that the primary thing they want
>to get rid of is the cancer that has been with them
>for a long time - they don't want the militants
>carrying on their depradations on them and they do
not
>want the Indian military in there. Any kind of pulse
>taken should show that people want peace to carry on
>their own individual drives for economic prosperity.
>
>Unless sovereignity provides them the dream of better
>opportunities NOW and that it is realizable without
>ANY further costs, there will be very few takers for
>sovereignity. Peace on the other hand will have the
>majority of takers.
>
>Like me, there would be many others, looking to see
>what are the ECONOMIC benefits (above all else) of a
>sovereign Assam versus the costs. We haven't seen
>anything logical as yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>Think again.
>
>If Assam solves the crisis of K,P,N,Liquid Fuel and
>Energy-you have all the access into India and beyond
>asa mostn favoured Nation-a provider-a redeemer.
>
>Trade will always be balanced--not like with Arabs.
>All Imports And Exports will be in Indian Rupees at
>world raes.
>
>Win Win situation.
>
>What else could anybody need.
>
>Alternative will be a growing Cancer-which finally
>kills the host.
>
>(Oracle) mm
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>From: Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: assam@assamnet.org
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:18:04 -0700 (PDT)
> >Mikeda,
> >
> >I do not dispute your hypothesis that Assam could
> >solve the problem of potassium, liquid energy and
> >energy. I have not done enough analysis to comment
> >either way.
> >
> >What I do dispute is that a sovereign Assam will
not
> >have access to Indian markets. That does not sound
> >logical since a state seized from India will be
felt
> >inimical to it. Assam will never have any leverage
> >over the directions India takes in building out
these
> >networks.
> >
> >In addition all those opportunities you talk about,
> >there are others - big ideas all - that can impact
> >both India overall and our region economically.
Such
> >opportunities did not make sense in an earlier
> >generation of India where the leadership clearly
> >lacked vision and the public did not demand it. The
> >world in India today is different. People want
> >prosperity and are pretty impatient about it. Many
> >politicians have realized it and work towards
getting
> >some work done.
> >
> >It is that time in India where the watchword is
hope
> >and progress and by any account humongous economic
> >progress. It is into that India that the
>opportunities
> >of Assam will feed into. This requires an Assam
that
> >is indelibly linked to India - not de-linked.
> >
> >Actually the way I see it - India (and Bangladesh
and
> >Burma and USA and Thailand and USA and Europe and
> >whatever else is there) will get peace in our
region
> >at any cost. If not for the love of Assam, this
peace
> >will come because there is way too much money to be
> >made.
> >
> >For 40 years Assam was in the periphery - being a
>link
> >between worlds would bring the North East to
somewhat
> >of an economic center. India will have an impetus
to
> >make the NE that economic center over let's say
> >Bangladesh. Take a look at the map of the region. A
> >sovereign Assam would be irrelevant - India can
>easily
> >route the routes through Bangaldesh.
> >
> >The real question is:
> >
> >Should Assam rather be sovereign and not take
> >advantage of the opportunities you and I are
talking
> >about? Or should we be a part of India and take
> >advantage of those? Would we rather have the jungle
> >reclaim us or move forward with a singular focus on
> >the prosperity of the region.
> >
> >Economically speaking I haven't seen a business
case
> >built out for the former.
> >
> >It is in this context that we had a discussion some
> >time back as to what the objective for discussions
> >between ULFA and GOI should be - beyond the
singular
> >word of sovereignity.
> >
> >People of NE benefit from having gotten as an
outcome
> >of a negotiated settlement a humongous economic
bonus
> >that the neglect of GOI and the depradations of the
> >militants have brought us. GOI will bite because
> >however huge an economic bonus will be far smaller
> >than the economic benefits that will accrue to both
> >Assam and India.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >The Mother of Reasons of all human migration
>problems:
> >Bihari-Adibasi(maybe Jharkhand
> >origin),Karbi,Dimasa,Nagas(grabbing lower lands
with
> >Delhi/CRP looking the other way)--- depletion of
> >Potassium from the soil.
> >
> >I wrote in the net that only Sovereign Assam can
>solve
> >India's food /unrest problem by supplying
>Potassium,
> >Phosphorus, PLUS half of India's liquid energy
needs
> >--plus about half Electric energy needs.
> >
> >{No Sovereignty for Assam-- no Hope of " Great
>India"
> >EVER.}
> >
> >Promise I won't repeat this "Asinine" remark.
> >
> >mm
> >
> >mm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >From: SP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: assam@assamnet.org
> >Subject: [Assam] Karbi Anglong
> >Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:55:33 -0400
> > >
> > >Rajib Das wrote on Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:20:04
-0700
> > >
> > >+ I wonder what is the position of the Assam
> >separatists
> > >+ on this pernicious war between the two groups
-
> >Karbis
> > >+ and Dimasas.
> > >+
> > >+ Going by the total silence on this - I assume
> >either
> > >+ the separatists are not interested in that
> >conflict.
> > >+
> > >+ I am sure there would be some that would put
the
> >blame
> > >+ on GOI - the Great Satan. But then it would be
>too
> > >+ simplistic, wouldn't it?
> > >
> > >the issue is land.
> > >
> > >this is not the first time that there has been a
> >killing.
> > >some time ago upds killed some biharis.
> > >
> > >wait, wait---biharis in karbi anglong?!
> > >
> > >you would be surprised, but there are a lot of
> >biharis
> > >in karbi anglong. the biharis are those who have
> >been
> > >displaced from bihar due to---you guessed
it---land
> > >alienation. the land alienation in bihar gave
rise
> > >to and sustained the maoist communist center
kinds
> > >and the opposing ranbir sena kinds, leading to
> > >occasional massacres there. the land alienation
> >problem
> > >in bihar has now been exported to the karbi
hills.
> > >
> > >this problem now will touch all those in karbi
and
> >other
> > >areas. it will pit one tribe against the other.
>it
> >will
> > >pit tribals against the illegal immigrants (as it
>did
> >at nellie
> > >some decades ago). and it will pit tribals
against
> >biharis,
> > >bengalis and what have you. and the biharis and
> >bengalis
> > >will retaliate, as the biharis did following the
>upds
> >attack.
> > >
> > >if you are trying to take a few cheap shots at
> >militancy this
> > >time, please don't. well, for one, we don't know
>who
> >did this
> > >particular massacre. (most probably we will never
> >know---do
> > >we know who did nellie, so many years ago, or
>dimapur
> >railway
> > >station last year?). they were in black fatigues
>it
> >is said,
> > >but surprisingly they did not use ak-47's. they
>used
> >the village
> > >dao. they hacked the passengers and threw them
>into
> >the
> > >fire. in a way those at nellie used daos, bows
and
> >arrows.
> > >this was not an ordinary political killing by
> >insurgent
> > >groups. this was tribal warfare.
> > >
> > >
> > >+ What is the solution to this and to a million
> >other
> > >+ mutinies that often are against each other and
>not
> >a
> > >+ part of the one great mutiny.
> > >
> > >the solution is land reforms, to begin with.
> >followed
> > >by other measures to protect and integrate the
> >tribals.
> > >this is the bare minimum.
> > >
> > >but this will never be done. was it done in
bihar?
> > >(it was done in bengal, by the cpim. if they
had't
> > >done so, those killed by the upds would have been
> > >bengalis, not biharis). most probably, the
problem
> > >will fester, as it has done for so many years in
>the
> > >karbi hills, with an occasional massacre here and
> >there.
> > >
> > >the problem of land is not just something which
has
> >been
> > >imported from bihar and which will impact only
the
> >tribals.
> > >you might have come across news of at least two
>huge
> >rallies
> > >in assam in the last few months by people
> >(non-tribals
> > >mostly) demanding government pattas for their
lands
> >and
> > >which turned violent. this is another powder keg
>we
> >are
> > >sitting on.
> > >
> > >xourov
> > >
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