C'da, > *** First off, GROWTH rate is not everything. A state can show growth > because a few are making out like bandits while the rest remain where > they have always been.
You are right, it is not. But it is ONE measure. Incidently, all the states which have registered high growth show a huge difference in the number of industries, output and other economic indicators when compared to the low growth states. > Incidentally the question about Murthy's accusations came because he > was attacked by politicians from Karnataka - your high growth rate > state, Deve Gowda etc., for supposedly not doing enough for > Karnataka while enjoying its resources to build Infosys or some such > thing. Though Karnataka is a high growth state, it does have a lot of room for improvement. Murthy (and the IT sector) expect a lot more from the state (as they should) - better roads, a great airport, etc, etc so that the industry can be a global player (not just for low wages). The problems that a high growth state like Karnataka faces is not the same as what a state like Bihar or Jarkhand faces. High growth states are wanting world class cities and as such their demands/needs are different. > *** 'Regional Imbalances' has one fatal flaw: It accepts CENTRAL > PLANNING and Delhi's controls as good, or as a fact of life. Truth is > neither. That may well be, but Delhi does recognize these imbalances, and is now allocating more resources, setting up industrial complexes/islands in states that are lagging behind. > *** That is true. However, in the Indian context, since the Central > Govt. has usurped all significant powers, controlling everything; its > performance, its governance has assumed a responsibility but has > failed to deliver. I don't know about usurping powers. I can agree though to more responsibilities and controls placed at the state levels. But it is scary - wonder how a state like Bihar, entrusted with all the powers that be and financial resources and that too answerable to themselves, would do in a de-centralized situation? Fall off the deep end? :) > Where is the trend of changing, of reforms? Where is the political will to > effect >meaningful reforms. I sense a change in the Center. Now they seem to be paying more attention to these things. The press and people are now demanding more accountability. Take the problem of fog enveloping Delhi airport. The GOI(Civil aviation) has taken a very serious view of the problem and is making sure airlines comply. Or the case with Natwar - was forced to resign. --Ram On 12/30/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ram: > > >If this is systemic and the problems are pervasive, how is it that > >some states >are registering higher growth rate > > > *** First off, GROWTH rate is not everything. A state can show growth > because a few are making out like bandits while the rest remain where > they have always been. > > Incidentally the question about Murthy's accusations came because he > was attacked by politicians from Karnataka - your high growth rate > state, Deve Gowda etc., for supposedly not doing enough for > Karnataka while enjoying its resources to build Infosys or some such > thing. > > > >'Regional Imbalance' > > *** 'Regional Imbalances' has one fatal flaw: It accepts CENTRAL > PLANNING and Delhi's controls as good, or as a fact of life. Truth is > neither. > > >Lack of growth and development cannot be ALL because of poor governance. > > *** That is true. However, in the Indian context, since the Central > Govt. has usurped all significant powers, controlling everything; its > performance, its governance has assumed a responsibility but has > failed to deliver. > > > >the idea of making a complete turn-around of areas plagued by > >systemic problems >will take a long time. > > *** But when did it begin? Where is the trend of changing, of > reforms? Where is the political will to effect meaningful reforms. > They don't exist. And thus little will change. Show me a trend and I > will believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 3:10 PM -0600 12/30/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >C'da, > > > >>systemically wrong with Indian governance > > > >While I do agree that a lot needs to be done in this area, the idea of > >making a complete turn-around of areas plagued by systemic problems > >will take a long time. > >The Indian Governmental system does have checks and balances, so the > >problem really lies with many of those who are in charge > >(ministers/bureaucrats). Any system will have loopholes, but it has > >become a past time in India for people to take advantage of these > >loopholes. > > > >In the end, systemic problems are caused by a few functions, > >(a) bureaucrats and ministers who are corrupt and inept > >(b) a populace that is willing to take whatever is dished out and > >reelecting the same scoundrels every election cycle > >and > >(c) a business climate where a lot of attention seems to be diverted > >to duping/taking advantage of the government (country) , people and > >the exchequer. > > > >Yes, I agree with what Murthy says inspite of the fact that there may > >be that polititcian that is willing to put the country's need before > >himself. > > > >> Suresh Prabhu of Shiv Sena accepted the criticism but said the need of > >> the > >> hour was to focus on reforming the politics, its institutions and its > >> functionaries rather than indulge in mud-slinging > > > >Prabhu's statement seems to be more for the press and it is a good > >suggestion. The Shiv Sena have not been stalwarts either. There have > >been many accusations of corruption and extortion on businesses and > >Bollywood leveled against the. > > > >I would rather tend to side with Murthy on this. > > > >BTW- all this begs the question: If this is systemic and the problems > >are pervasive, how is it that some states are registering higher > >growth rates (than national average), while others are far below - 3rd > >world standards. Many of the ones that have NOT done well are in the > >northern/Central states - from where the GOI is supposedly controlled. > >The article I sent on 'Regional Imbalance' is a case in point. > >Lack of growth and development cannot be ALL because of poor > >governance. To poor governance, if one were to add a good measure of a > >few other unfavorable ingredients, we could see a Bihar in the making > >all over India and in every state. > > > >-- Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 12/30/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The following after yesterday's criticism from Narayana Murthy. > >> > >> Ram, you might look at Suresh Prabhu's comment below. I point that out for > >> those of you who claim that there is nothing systemically wrong with > >> Indian > >> governance -- and thus it is a problem with people-BAD people that is! > >> > >> (The empheses mine). > > > > >> cm > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Narayana Murthy at the receiving end > >> [ Friday, December 30, 2005 10:11:10 pmTIMES NEWS NETWORK ] > >> NRI New Year Gift, FREE Calling Card > >> RSS Feeds| SMS NEWS to 8888 for latest updates > >> NEW DELHI: Leaders across the political spectrum have come out strongly > >> against Infosys chief N R Narayana Murthy's criticism of the political > >> class, which he said, was "inept" and "corrupt" and did not own up to > >> responsibility for its failures. Many felt that Murthy's criticism, made > >> on > >> Wednesday at a function in Bangalore, was "abusive" in nature. > >> > >> An agitated Sharad Yadav, head of Janata Dal (United), asked Murthy to > >> stay > >> "within limits". He said politicians faced a difficult job in marrying > >> aspirations of a heterogeneous mass of people. "I challenge him to contest > >> one election and see it for himself. On the other hand, I can run a > >> company > >> easily because there you don't have to face people and are free to do what > >> you want to," he fumed. > >> > >> The general feeling was that complexities of politics were being ignored, > >> as sweeping generalisations were being made against the political class. > >> Ram > >> Kripal Yadav, Lok Sabha MP of Rashtriya Janata Dal, pounced on the > >> statement > >> as a "conspiracy to subvert democracy"of which corporate houses were also > >> a > >> part. "It is to malign us," he said. Yadav said there were enough honest > >> people to be found among politicians. "He is elitist," he said. > >> > >> Samajwadi Party leader Ajar Singh felt it was sad and "unfortunate" that > >> such a sweeping statement had come from a "respected corporate giant". > >> Countering the charge, he said there were corrupt politicians just like > >> businessmen had black sheep among them. > >> > >> Dismissing charges of lack of accountability, Singh said politicians had > >> to > >> face people and even Indira Gandhi faced an electoral defeat. "But a > >> businessman can simply declare himself bankrupt and does not even have to > >> face the shareholders," he argued. RJD's Yadav said businessmen fleece the > >> country by evading sales tax and other taxes but still manage to get away > >> without being called corrupt. > >> Nilotpal Basu of the CPM said, "The statement is not worthy of a > >> reaction."D Raja, national secretary of the CPI, said it was the > >> philosophy > >> of neo-liberals who don't recognise democracy and its institutions. > >> "Murthy > >> has always reflected this philosophy very well," he said. > >> Suresh Prabhu of Shiv Sena accepted the criticism but said the need of > >> the > >> hour was to focus on reforming the politics, its institutions and its > >> functionaries rather than indulge in mud-slinging. > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
