>I will never support the
actions of ULFA from a distance
if I know their cases are doomed
This means if I know somebody is
doomed to die in their cause, I will not encourage by shouting Bravo Bravo
from a distance like you are doing because you have nothing to loose from your
AmericanArmchair. You even cannot claim 'independence' for Assam. You can simply
shout Bravo Bravo to the doomed ULFA because you want to give moral support
because they are dying anyway.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:25
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is
rather a Moral Question
At 3:19 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>But there is a term for those who
wait to to see which way the wind blows before they take a
position:
When one supports from a distance, why is one to wait,
brother?
*** It was NOT me who would NOT support ULFA because they may NOT
win as in the now immortalized quotes below:
>I will never support the
actions of ULFA from a distance
if I know their cases are doomed
.
What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred, is :'--but I may decide otherwise if they have a chance to
win'
What gain one will have?
*** You tell us!
Are
you thinking of giving up your US Citizenship for take up a post of
Misinstry?
*** I don't about the ministry, but I sure ain't into phoolosophy!
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a Moral
Question
At 2:45 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>an honorable
cause
Which may be the
WRONG cause as indicated by LDB.
*** Lohit wrote:
If ULFA truly
believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an
occupying force,
why would they surrender?
It does not mean "--may be the WRONG cause". That is grade school
English!
Or well worth supporting from a
distance?.
*** And why not? Is there a prohibition from some Buddhist
school or some such thing of thought that it is sinful? Immoral? Is it an
universal and/or self evident wrong or sin ?
But there is a term for those who wait to to see which way the
wind blows before they take a position: It goes " Sucking up ( to those
who may be on the winning side) and p---ing down( on the side perceived to
be losing), a widely prevalent desi-trait!"
It is their country, their
cause.
What I have to
loose?.
*** Only if one is driven by a need to be on the winning
side.
I am US Citizen, as you know.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:15
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather a
Moral Question
>*** That is why I don't go
asking ULFA to go die for
me.
That is what
supporting ULFA means.
*** It does? I learn something
everyday.
>Moral support
to die because they are dying anyway?
*** No because I believe in their pursuit of being the
masters of their own fate.
>By saying
they will go to heaven?
*** You take a guess on that.
>Or you are
trying to make them immortal?
*** No, bravery becomes immortal by itself--because people
look up to it. Bravery is defined by a will to fight or struggle
against overwhelming odds for an honorable cause ( as in the pursuit
of independence), at great risk to oneself.
>Support a
dying person by providing a Brahmin priest?
Not a chance! Buddhist will be it.
>But as LDB has indicated, their cause may be
WRONG.
*** He also said it may be right. He just did not
take a position on the matter. Does not necessarily mean he does not
have a position on it. He just was not about to FOCUS or dwell on that
aspect at the moment.
It is what is called a manner of speech, and not meant for
taking one part of it aside for childish, semantic
manipulation.
>How do
you make one immortal who die for a wrong
cause?
*** You figure that out. I gave you all the clues you
need.
'--but I
may decide otherwise if they have a chance to
win'
*** We got that, loud and clear. That is RB's kind of
morality.
It is a question
whole Assam has been asking ULFA.
*** What does that have to do with the PRINCIPLE of the
matter?
>Show us the
beef.
*** You can't eat it and have it too.
>Are you Lasit
or you are playing games with people of Assam?
*** I am Sondon. I don't have an identity crisis. Have no
aspirations of being named a Barphukan, like Badan
either.
>Are you real
or are flirting--
Yes I am real. But my flirting days are long
over.
>-- with the
name of 'sovereignty' and making money for
yourself?
That is NOT for ME to say and for YOU to figure
out!
Oh, one more thing: Yes, I do play with SOME people's
minds. But they are mostly in the US. And they deserve to be played
with.
Now will you explain YOUR
morality?
At 1:44 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
*** That is why I don't go asking
ULFA to go die for
me.
That is what
supporting ULFA means.
You are
supporting from the comfort of the American Armchair because they
are dying anyway.
>But if
they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is give them
MORAL support
Moral support
to die because they are dying anyway?
By saying they
will go to heaven?
Support a dying
person by providing a Brahmin priest?
Or you are
trying to make them immortal?
But as LDB has
indicated, their cause may be WRONG.
How do you make
one immortal who die for a wrong cause?
'--but I may decide otherwise
if they have a chance to win'
It is a
question whole Assam has been asking ULFA.
Show us the
beef.
Are you Lasit
or you are playing games with people of Assam?
Are you real or
are flirting with the name of 'sovereignty' and making money for
yourself?
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:09
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is rather
a Moral Question
>When one
asks someone else to die for something one believe, that becomes a
question of morality, question of >ethics, not of
expediency.
*** That is why I don't go asking ULFA to go die for
me. But if they are dying for THEIR cause, the least I could do is
give them MORAL support if not material and moral both, instead of
sticking a wet finger into the air to see which way the wind
is blowing, before I decide whether to support them or to
damn them; as in : >I will
never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know their cases are
doomed
What did not get said, but could be clearly inferred,
is :'--but I may decide otherwise if
they have a chance to win'
You could not explain the direction of your MORAL
COMPASS more clearly! No doubt it was an accidental disclosure,
but the sub-conscious showed up loud and clear
Rajen.
Hai bidhata !
c
At 12:54 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
When one asks someone else to die for something one
believe, that becomes a question of morality, question of
ethics, not of
expediency.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:35
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Supporting ULFA is
rather a Moral Question
>Morally I
will never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I
know their cases are doomed >as of Subas Bose and
Phizo.
*** That is NOT morality. That is called
expediency!
That damned English language
again!!!
At 12:30 PM -0600 1/31/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>"*** I don't 'CLAIM
independence for Assam', whatever that means. But as a
well-wisher of Assam I DO INDEED support Assam's
sovereignty aspirations "
-
Chandan:
>I am an US
citizen, as you know. Thus it will be absurd for me to
go 'CLAIM independence for Assam'. That would be elementary,
wouldn't you think?
-
Chandan
>If ULFA truly
believes (rightfully or wrongfully) that India is an
occupying force, why would they surrender? Did Naga leader
Phizo ever surrender? Would >Subhas Bose have
surrendered to the British?
-
LDB
>A very mature
letter. A man after my own heart :-).
-
Chandan
>I have heard of all
kinds of excuses people hold out why independence is
scary for them, but never heard of this boogie you
brought out.
Chandan
Somehow
the above comments bring to my mind as if some of
us are trying to support ULFA the way one would
support "Charge of the Light Brigade" from a distance. We
can always support such aspirirations, and in fact inspire
such aspirations from the comfort of America Armchair,
because we have nothing to
loose.
I would rather
comment the same way as Chandan did to Hemenda.
>"And coming from someone like
yourself, who probably claimed US citizenship with a mere
five or so years in the country, enjoying the benefits and
protections >of a secular society with a rule of law,it
is that much more unbecoming,
hypocritical"
Morally I will
never support the actions of ULFA from a distance if I know
their cases are doomed as of Subas Bose and Phizo. Morally I
would have to join them if I believe what they
believe.
RB
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