what ?? Am I tangled with the big people now? Well, I will follow their rule when I write a paper for the Assam Sahitya Sabha (forgive me if that is not the way to write in English letters) in Roman letters, or write a policy for the Assam (or Asam or Asom or Osom or Axom or Oxom) government.
But for the net, I won't judge anyone and that too, so harshly :) if they write "desh", "des" or "dex" even if I am comfortable with writing it as "dex".
>Can we ram it down the throats of Assamese and non Assamese and force them to >pronounce the S like Assamese XO?
>Or can we discuss any rationales in the net?
If these were your words or questions, yes, we can discuss "any rationales" on the net, and write it right in roman scripts when we write a literary piece, but not "ram it down the throats" of the non-Assamese when we try to make them understand the word - they will get the pronounciation wrong but at least will get the drift, instead of saying 'huh'! .
Most importantly, as long as we don't get personal and not go on accusing and advising in an unwarranted way, we can discuss as adults without trying to show off.
Again, nothing personal, but I do get tired whenever there is a 'holier than thou' attitude floats on this net. Ignoring it doesn't help always.
From: "Rajen Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<assam@assamnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Lekhiboloi vs. Likhiboloi
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:35:02 -0600
Well Alpana:Your problem is solved if you had been looking for an authority to approve.Mr Chandra Prasad Saikia, Ex President of Sahitya Sabha has already approved the letter S for Assamese XO sound.Assam government also approved it.So on that authirity you can safely write S for Assamesee XO sound.For (O+DontiyoXO+MO) you can write ASOM.But can we ask the simple question back.Are we going to be forced to use the S sound Assamese XO sound.Can we ram it down the throats of Assamese and non Assamese and force them to pronounce the S like Assamese XO?Or can we discuss any rationales in the net?Or shall we say, I am sorry, the decision has been made by the authority, and you will have to use S.For OXOM you will have to write ASOM.Is that it?Barua---- Original Message -----From: Alpana B. SarangapaniSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:53 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] Lekhiboloi vs. Likhiboloi>assign a letter from the Roman script, be it X or Ch or whatever. We need to assign. We >cannot say Hobo Diok. We cannot assign S or SH because those are taken by other >sounds.
If I may say so!
And until the day it (a "verdict" is passed by the pundits) is assigned, it WILL be a "Hobo Diok" situation. As many of us - the ordinary mortals, that is, will write the Assamese words in Roman letters as they sound, without any intention to hurt the feelings of the intellectuals or act smart, but simply becoz we are just ordinary people and to us, as long as we write it right in Assamese, it is fine to us.
From: "Rajen Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Dilip/Dil Deka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: assamnetyahoogroups <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,ASSAMNET <assam@assamnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Lekhiboloi vs. Likhiboloi
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:18:50 -0600
And that is why we have the dictionaries which specifys the correct way of spelling a word. It is like this English word (say) 'country' which has this spelling. Suddenly we cannot be smarter and try to write it as 'kantry' and say they will enrich the English language. Like the traditional Assamese word spelling, we need to standardize the spellings of the Assamese words in Roman script. Yes there will be some flexibilitie but within certain accepted rules for spelling. For the Assamese X sound we need to assign a letter from the Roman script, be it X or Ch or whatever. We need to assign. We cannot say Hobo Diok. We cannot assign S or SH because those are taken by other sounds.RB----- Original Message -----From: Chan MahantaCc: assamnetyahoogroups ; ASSAMNETSent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:05 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] Lekhiboloi vs. Likhiboloi>"that only makes the language richer and becomes inclusive. The option of writing a word >like Dex in other forms (des or desh) might indicate that the language is not just inclusive >but also has several "accepatble" ways of writing certain words. Isn't that more welcoming >to others. "No way, Jose!You are trying too hard. Dex is an oxomiya term.'Desh' is a Bongali and Desulai term :-). And they are not the same.At 8:42 AM -0600 3/13/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:>As you know, a language dies when strict rules start controlling it. Let the user decide >- Tekhetor lekhiboloi kiba asene, ne likhiboloihe kiba ase.
>Dilip DekaExactly. This is what I have been trying to convey but to no avail. In their exuberance, I think some have made the rules more important than the language and ease of use itself.I am glad that there is at least one other person in JP Rajkhowa, who feels that same way>I fully endorse your views on 'lekhiboloi' as synonym of 'likhiboloi' and similarly >'lekhak' or 'likhak'.And this is what I wrote a few days ago - which apparently didn't sit well with the literary leaders of Assmnet and ruffled their feathers."that only makes the language richer and becomes inclusive. The option of writing a word like Dex in other forms (des or desh) might indicate that the language is not just inclusive but also has several "accepatble" ways of writing certain words. Isn't that more welcoming to others. "--RamOn 3/13/06, Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am so glad Assamese language hasn't changed in the last four decades!I am assuming from the email address that Mr. J P Rajkhowa lives in Assam. Do you, Mr. Rajkhowa?Dilip Deka=============================================================
j p rajkhowa <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Date: 13 Mar 2006 09:54:58 -0000
From: "j p rajkhowa" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dilip/Dil Deka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] Assamese langaugeDear Shri deka
I fully endorse your views on 'lekhiboloi' as synonym of 'likhiboloi' and similarly 'lekhak' or 'likhak'. In practice, lot of people, including scholars use the words synonymously in their writings.In my opinion, no harm is caused to 'Asamiya bhasa' by having many more such words carrying exactly the same meaning to an intelligent reader.
Regards.
JPRajkhowa.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 Dilip/Dil Deka wrote :
>We were taught that "Likh" means "To write" and "Lekh" means "To count".
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>But if you look up Hemkwx, you will see even Hem C. Barua couldn't clearly distinguish the usage. He tries to allude to the spellings/meanings as I stated above but he also included many derived words that contradict the rule. A writer is both a "Lekhok" and a "Likhok" in his dictionary.
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>Since the two have been used interchangeably for a long time, why fight it? As you know, a language dies when strict rules start controlling it. Let the user decide - Tekhetor lekhiboloi kiba asene, ne likhiboloihe kiba ase.
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>I am wondering how Assamese langauge is being distorted (I mean spelling) everyday. Plenty of examples can be seen in different writings. The recent one that has come to my notice is in http://assam.faithweb.com/ratne/ It says "Adarsha Ratne Lipi: Adarsha Axomiya lekhiboloi". I am wondering whether it is "LEKHIBOLOI" only, or it should be "likhiboloi"!
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