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Dear Rajen,
Thank you for this wonderful piece. I really
congratulate you ! And, this came from Rik Veda, the First Book of
humankind!!
I hope other netters will discuss and elucidate
this teaching of "Hinduism" --- the word "Hinduism" or "Hindu" is not there
in any ancient "Hindu" scriptures. This is a name the west-asians originated
much later. I think we should use "Sanatana Path" --- this is open to
discussion.
A discussion about Charvaka also will enrich the
Assam-net.
And, then a homage to Lord Buddha !
I also request you to elaborate on Sankhya
philosophy which is so close to "Particle Physics" ---- no wonder Bhagavadgita
started with this !
With the best wishes,
Himendra
---- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang
Theory
"veda yadi va na
veda"
Yes, the Nasadiya Sukta ends
with a questioning....
But, after all,
who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation
happened?
The gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows
truly whence it has arisen?
Whence all creation had its origin,
he,
whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from
highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
Meaning: "After all, who really knows what happened and who
can presume to tell it? What is the origin of creation? For, even the Gods
themselves are younger than it. He whether he created it or did not, He who
surveys it all from the highest heaven, He knows - or maybe even he does not!"
This
end-refrain, states that even the Supreme being also may be ignorant
of the mystery of creation. This actually goes to supports the Buddhist view
that the universe was not created by God but is eternal. If that is the case,
Buddhist view is more correct that God is irrelevent in Hinduism
also. After all we donot need a God who does not know how the
universe was created and who is not almighty.
This is what I say that theism is
rather very week in Hindusim. In Hindusim we donot find a strong almighty God
who is in charge of things like Judio-Christianity. This means the there is a
higher realty, higher than Brahman, higher than the God of
Gita.
I would like to know what do you
think is the Hindu view of supreme God. Is he almighty or not?
>Hinduism accepted Buddha. Hinduism accepted
Charvaka.
Please not that it is not the same
as statement: Hinduism accepted Buddhism and Carvaksim. If you find a book
please show where it tells that Hindusim believes in Buddhism and
Charvakaism.
I wonder what the new definition of
the Hindusim as resolved in California ended up with? Does it say that
Hindusim believe as well not in a supreme God, and that in Hinduism the
supreme God is not almighty God?
These are questions for
discussions.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:43
AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang
Theory
Dear Barua,
My answer to your question "What is your
point?" is "None" ---- I don't have any point --- I am only trying to
understand your arguments and assertions.
Hinduism accepted Buddha. Hinduism accepted
Charvaka. You have said that "In
Hinduism iteself you will find many other self contradictions if you dig the
criptures. Self contradiction is part of Hindu
philosophy."
The word "self" sublimates and vanishes into
"selflessness" in Hinduism. The term "self-contradiction" contradicts
itself.
I hope your input will help us
understand.
I am still waiting to hear your interpretation
of the last five words of Nasadiya Sukta
"veda yadi va na veda" where the Sukta itself was put
under a question mark.
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:23
AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang
Theory
Himenda:
I think I already explained
my point clear.
Please explain your
point instead of asking piecemeal question so that I can
respond.
In Rik Veda, they were still
asking questions regarding the origin of creation.
But what is your
point?
Thanks
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 6:44
AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian
Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
Your explanation/interpretation of Nasadiya
Sukta is interesting.
I am wondering why you ignored the last
five words of Nasadiya Sukta "veda yadi va na veda"
where the Sukta itself was put under a question mark.
It keeps the question open: Why are
are you calling "Big-Bang" a "Hindu-Christian" Theory
?
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:55
AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian
Big-Bang Theory
Dear
Hineda:
The Nasadiya Sukta of Rik
Veda is also a creation theory which basically says that there was a
beginning.
"It is a "cosmology" hymn, that seeks to explain the
origin of creation. Briefly, it describes the chaos that preceded creation, when there was neither
death nor immortality. From this chaos, the "One",
animated by its own impulse, breathed and came into existence. (Big
Bang?) From the unfathomable depths of water, from the
darkness of the cosmic void, emerged this spirit, animated by
desire."
If you are thinking that
Big Bang theory does not confrm to the Nasadiiya Sukta, that is a
non conformance of degree only and not of kind. Both the Hindu creation theory
(Nasadiya Sukta) and the Big Bang theory basically says that the
universe was created once uon a time.
The Buddhist theory says
that these is no beginning of the universe at all.
Buddhist theory is
against the Big Bang theory and the Nasadiya Sukta also. (In fact I
was trying give credit to the Hindu theory that it conforms to
science). It does
not see any difference bewteen the Big Bang theory and the
Nasadiya Sukta.
In Hinduism iteself you
will find many other self contradictions if you dig the criptures.
Self contradiction is part of Hindu philosophy.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006
11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian
Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
Kindly check the Nasadiya Sukta of Rik
Veda. That appears to be in contradiction to what you have
said about Hinduism.
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006
8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian
Big-Bang Theory
Himenda:
Specifically the Big
Bang theory of the origin of our universe is a scientific theory
and not a religious theory. However, I am calling it a
Hindu-Christian theory simply becuse the theory of Big
Bang conforms to the views of religions like Christianity,
Hindusim and all other theistic religions that believe in
God.
The very basic of a
belief in one God is that it is God who created this universe
'once upon a time'. Although actual creation theories may be
different in different religions, but the sense is the same that
our universe has a beginning and this beginning was done by God
'once upon a time'.
Scientists, mostly
God fearing Christians, are also trying to prove scientifically
that our universe has an origin and this origin was the time
when 'big bang' occurred some billions of years
ago.
Buddhism does not
support this view.
According to
Buddhism, briefly speaking, there is no God who started this
universe, and the universe does not have a beginning.
A minority scientists
support this Buddhist view that our universe does not have a
beginning.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 27,
2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Hindu-Christian
Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
Why are are you calling "Big-Bang"
a "Hindu-Christian" Theory ?
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 26,
2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam]
Wiki: For Rajen-da: Buddha's previous births :Boddisattvas,
Hindu Incarntaions etc
Umesh:
I never said
Buddhist does not believe in rebirth. The theory of "Karma"
and "rebirth" are parts of Buddhist philosophy. But these
philosophies are somewhat different from Hindu
counterparts because basically Buddhists donot believe in the
(Hindu-Christian) "soul" theory, and the "God" theory.
Both these concepts are illogical according to Buddhist
philosophy. That makes the difference. Buddhist philosophy
conform to modern science of "Quantum Physics", "Conservation
of Energy" etc. The "God" theory does not. Buddhist
philosophy does not believe in the Hindu-Christian "Big Bang"
theory that God started this Universe by
pressing a switch.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 26,
2006 9:37 AM
Subject: [Assam] Wiki:
For Rajen-da: Buddha's previous births : Boddisattvas,Hindu
Incarntaions etc
For Rajen-da,
Buddhists also believe in rebirth and have a concept of
Boddhisattvas. I saw in East Asian art musems many
sculptures of previosu Boddhisattvas --of Buddha. Dalai Lama
is also a rebirth of the previous Dalai Lama. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva
Umesh
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