O' Ram:
Hope your weekend is going well. We had a nice kharkhowa gathering,
along with some kolgutikhowas and even a couple of desuali folks
last evening. This has been the most pleasant of July weather I can
recall in our 32 years in St. Louis. A light breeze carrying mist
from the river kept us comfortable, the mosquitos were on vacation,
the cicadas were noisy but our friends' conversation kept them at bay
and my mango-margarita kept everyone mellower than the near
full-moon's light under a clear sky, until we fared our friends well-
in whose honor we hosted the gathering--on their impending
trip to the desert of Rajasthan where he will be teaching business
management as a Fullbright Scholar
on sabbatical at Pilani and she will be there to keep him company.
Anyway, I read your thoughts here. As usual, no problems with your
being a non-engineer. I am not one either. In IIT we, the
architecture students, were laughed at by our engineering friends,
because we did not use slide-rules, which was equivalent to looking
down upon people who count with their fingertips, the lowest of the
low-tech lot, a few notches below the logarithmatic-table users. We
tried to turn the tables by laughing at their drawing skills. But
they knew how to put us even further down: They told us that they
will always have draftsmen ( I don't remember hearing of draftswomen)
to do their dirty work, while we shall remain pencil-pushers for
ever. That was really below the below the belt, and it hurt.
Enough about my sad stories.
On the fools'-rush front, I won't hold anyone guilty of crimes that I
routinely commit. So rest easy there also.
By now if you are beginning to fret about all the nicey-nice leader
to this response and wondering if I am about spring a tripper on you,
relax there too. I don't have anything tricky up my sleeve this
morning.
All I ask is WHAT exactly were you and your cheering section, ably
led by Krishendu, trying to prove or disprove ? Once I get a bearing
on that, I will be pleased to share my thoughts.
Take care.
c-da
At 9:16 AM -0600 7/28/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
Being a non-engineer, and susori-musori pass kora individual, I may
not be qualified to comment in this high-flying math/engg. debate -
but nevertheless, I will try... you know, "fools rush in where
angels...."
One, is it is generally recognized that Indian graduating from
Indian schools are good in math/science. Not because they boast
about it, but because they just are. There are extremely bright
people there.
Most of the people who have been a big success in this and other
countries have had their "fundas" from India, and most Assamese from
the Engg. colleges in Assam, and education in cotton or GU or DU.
Second, you charge that because you don't see contributions from
these people in India, then obviously these graduates are Not
creative etc.
It is possible that even though these Indians may be creative and
intelligent, but may NOT be willing or are not able to contribute to
societies they came from. Maybe, they came to the USA to make more
money (read better opportunities).
While, I do not think there is anything wrong with that, let us
realize that there are many many people in India who are just as
capabale or better than immigrants to the US and who have
contributed to Indian's growth and development.
Third, if these people were not creative in India, how is it that
these very same people with the basic fundamentals from India have
suddenly become creative here? Did they suddenly sprout wings?
Lastly, (and I may the loner here) - Math & science are great, but
let us not put down other branches. There are many world leaders
(Kennedy/Gandhi/Nehru etc) who have come from non-science, non-tech
backgrounds, but have been instrumental in development and broad
visions for their countrues.
If it wasn't for Nehru, many today would NOT have gone to the IITs.
Yes, those same IITs that have enabled many to build careers in the
US and in India. Yes, those same IITs that have built the very
foundations that they so easily rubbish today.
If it wasn't for JFK, man may not have gone to the moon. A country
needs visionaries, just like it needs bright people from every other
branch.
More later
--Ram
On 7/28/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>By this logic, with so many successful Indian
Engineers and Scientists in US and other countries the
primary math foundation laid by Indian School system
must be excellent.
*** Can you cite some statistics, or even educated guesses on how "
many successful Indian
Engineers and Scientists in US and other countries" are there, and
what percentage is that of :
A: Total number of scientists and engineers produced by India?
B: Total number of people of the demographics of which these are a
segment and how the rest are doing ?
C: HOW these "successful" products of an 'excellent' Indian education
system have contributed to India's well being?
D: How the rest of the 'excellent' Indian education system have
contributed to India's well being?
At 6:36 AM -0700 7/28/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote:
>>Can you cite India's contributions to it?
Yes ---- Chandan Mahanta :)
If your primary math
foundation is weak, you will never get to do intensive
math at high
school, forget science and engineering.
By this logic, with so many successful Indian
Engineers and Scientists in US and other countries the
primary math foundation laid by Indian School system
must be excellent.
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