Illegal immigration and using illegal immigrants for political mileage is not soemthing which is exclusive to India or specific parties.
There are millions of illegal immigrants (mostly hispanic) in US (is the US government "dysfunctional, unresponsive, incapable" ? ) who work in menial jobs. Political parties use carrot of granting amnesty to get the hispanic votes . The latest carrot used by Democrats is Comprehensive Immigration Reform which is being chanted everyfew months. Meanwhile, to appease the citizens opposed to illegal immigration, thsi same group of poliicians have hiked fees for legal immigration (work visas) on the pretext that this money will be used for border security. It is interesting that in stead of penalizing illegal immigrants or those employing illegal immigrants , they are penalizing those employing legal immigrants . The reason is simple -- kiths and kins of illegals form a larger vote bank. The state of AZ recently framed laws to detect illegal immigrants and Fed quickly moved to court to get it nullified as it is in violation of federal law (--- "anything that departs from the masters' rules, will be held unconstitutional" ). ***************************************************************************************************************** >Maybe, they are the last hopes of a stagnant and moribund society, and it > > needs students to rescue it from all kinds of problems. *** You keep getting it wrong Ram. It IS about making the state, the governmental machinery FUNCTIONAL, accountable! Of course that is easier said than done. If Assam depends on India to do it, will never happen, not in another fifty years. I explained why earlier, a number of times. Once again, because of India's fractured polity. So if Assam wants it done, it will have to do it on its own. But it won't happen under Indian controls, because anything that departs from the masters' rules, will be held unconstitutional, never mind that it does not seem like Indian law-making has any such test as being constitutional or not ( IMDT, AFSPA--neither of which got challenged in courts for constitutionality , when they should have been, at enactment!), or a mechanism to enforce the test. *** WHEN the system of civil conflict resolution is made functional, then only the question of 'student movements', 'andwlons', insurgencies and rebellions will begin to recede and disappear in time. On Aug 22, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > C'da, > >> **** You are such a nice person Ram, you scare me :-). > > I have always maintained a B'deshi is a 'B'deshi, and India cannot have one > policy > for one kind and a different one for the other. > > The problem is whenever the illegal B'deshi problem is brought up, JUST like > these MLAs wanting > special treatment for 'Hindu B'deshis', there many other groups and > individuals who try to paint any serious discussion > on the subject as being anti-Muslim or some 'lungi kheda' drive. > > And that is unfortunate. > > This is about national policy matters, and not about the whims and desires > of some political party or individuals. > It is also about India protecting it's territorial integrity, and the GOI > should just implement it's border control/immigration policy. > >> If we had to go by yesterday's Sentinel editorial piece that you admired, > > Only certain parts, not all. Hopefully, forwarding doesn't mean a complete > endorsement. > >> Finally when students do that, taking to the streets and shutting things > down, does it REALLY lead to >> any meaningful action, or for that matter any action at all? >> Pushing students for is merely yet another admission, except on the sly, > that the government is dysfunctional, >> unresponsive, incapable. > > You might have missed it - but I did mention something about students as an > aside. > > IMHO. The idea of involving students to galvanize political action is one of > the worst things a state or country can do. > Students just need to be in the classrooms. > > Involving students is passe at best, and these days, in most developed > countries, students keep to the classrooms, > and leave politics to politicians. > > But, look at the scenario in India - students are signatories to national > accords, are treated like State representatives, > are courted by politicians, and even journalists like Bikash Sarmah expect > students to take to do something. > > Maybe, they are the last hopes of a stagnant and moribund society, and it > needs students to rescue it from all kinds of problems. > > > --Ram > > > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Neither group ought to be encouraged - specially by MLAs >>> >> >> **** You are such a nice person Ram, you scare me :-). >> The only thing left now is about what they OUGHT to do. And if they don't >> do what they >> ought to, who should be the next line of defense? >> >> If we had to go by yesterday's Sentinel editorial piece that you admired, >> it would be the YOUTH, students! >> I didn't quite know how students do that, other than by taking to the >> streets or shutting things down. >> Do you? >> >> Finally when students do that, taking to the streets and shutting things >> down, does it REALLY lead to >> any meaningful action, or for that matter any action at all? >> >> Pushing students for is merely yet another admission, except on the sly, >> that the government is dysfunctional, >> unresponsive, incapable. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2010, at 11:52 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> >>> Hi Uttam, >>> >>> Don't know what the deal is, but to me illegal Hindu B'deshis are no >>> different from illegal Muslim B'deshis. >>> Neither group ought to be encouraged - specially by MLAs >>> >>> --Ram da >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:52 PM, uttam borthakur < >>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in> wrote: >>> >>>> Three MPs and two MLAs of the Assam Unit of BJP have lodged a demand to >>>> grant citizenship to Hindu-Bengalis migrating from Bangladesh. They are >> Ms. >>>> Bijoya Chakrabarty, Kabindra Purkayastha, Rajen Gohain, Mission Ranjan >> Das >>>> and Sushil Dutta. They have disclosed it in press meet on 21 August at >> New >>>> Delhi according to a report in Pratidin today. >>>> >>>> >>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> assam at assamnet.org >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam at assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam at assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam at assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
