Hi C'da, I really like Joseph's writing style, and can actually agree with a lot he says.
On some things, I am conflicted: 'Nobody loves India like the Indian who does not live here anymore.' Actually the opposite is also true Nobody hates India.... in some cases. But what Joseph and others miss is that there are some people (NRI/NRAs) who really do emotionally, and sincerely invest interests in India (or Assam). I believe that there is such a section. I may actually completely disagree with their views, but do admire their sincerity. I do agree with the basic problems with many Indians. They do not want to see the problems, and many think India has arrived. But that is not a national indictment. There is that resentment and push back, when NRIs point it out. Maybe it is a natural reaction. There is hubris, where none need exist. Corruption and scandals are too everyday, to galvanize the country into action. About software etc - I don't think the world measures expertise by the number of licenses held in India. But most people know that a lot of development is done in India.... he makes it sound like it's just call centers manned by Indians with poor accents. His comparison of India to Pakistan is really laughable. Pakistan is a country that is barely trying to remain as one. Its a country in turmoil at best. I like Pankaj Mishra's writings. Here is an interview with Mishra (2007) -- pretty good. http://www.believermag.com/issues/200703/?read=interview_mishra --Ram On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, I will take the bait Ram :-). > > So what do YOU think of it? Is Manu Joseph trying to stir up trouble, or > is he just another one of those > India bashers, or perhaps a western-apologist in the style of , as many of > us say here seem to think in this forum, > Pankaj Mishra? > > > BTW, I read Manu Joseph's Serious Men last year. One of the best books by > an Indian English language writer, about > contemporary India. He is an astute, empathic observer of the Indian > condition and merciless with his prose. > One could however easily miss the satire and the biting commentary in the > fiction he weaves. It is a take-no-prisoners expose' > of the myths of a modern India so many like to wave around. But it is not a > hard or depressing read. It is laced > with intelligent comedy that I thoroughly enjoyed, even though at times his > brutal treatment of seemingly ordinary people's > foibles and vanities were quite unnecessary. > > c-da > > > On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > > Any takers? > > _______________ > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/world/asia/30iht-letter30.html?pagewanted=2&sq=India&st=cse&scp=4 > > > > Searching for Something Good to Say About India By MANU JOSEPH > > > > NEW DELHI -- It is a question that journalists in India are often asked > > without affection. “Don’t you have anything good to say?” A positive > story, > > a happy story? > > > > The rebuke, when it is an e-mail or an online comment in response to an > > unflattering article about India, is sometimes accompanied by abuses or a > > general description of the journalist’s mother. And it is particularly > > passionate when it comes from the expatriate Indian whose expletives are > > more contemporary. > > > > Nobody loves India like the Indian who does not live here anymore. When > they > > were in India, they just had to emerge from their house, go onto the > road, > > and the whole nation would assemble itself into an unambiguous pyramid of > > social hierarchy with them somewhere at the top. Respect came with the > > lottery of birth. > > > > But in the First World, it is not so easy. This, and the natural love for > > home, make the expatriate so patriotic that he or she finds it hard to > > tolerate the often embarrassing portrayal of the nation, especially in > the > > news media outside the country. > > > > Among the nonresident Indians, and also the Indians who live here, there > is > > a common view that what the Western news media want to tell their readers > > about India is stories that involve cows, poverty, honor killings and > other > > exotic, depressing or weird things. But is it possible to tell a happy > > Indian story, an honest, complete story, that would fill Indians with > pride? > > > > > > Some Indian newspapers have consciously tried to make Indians feel good > > about themselves. So there are frequent stories about India as an > emerging > > superpower, and India as a cultural force whose curry and music > apparently > > have mesmerized the world, and about how alpha-male Indian companies are > > taking over foreign corporations. > > > > There are commercial rewards for carrying such good news. About three > years > > ago, the shrewd promoter of an Indian publication, a deep philosopher of > > sorts, explained this when he walked into an editorial meeting and smiled > > with sympathy at the journalists. > > > > “I know what you want,” he said, “You journalists want to bite. You want > to > > write depressing stories. But you know what the advertiser wants. The > > advertiser wants to advertise on a happy page. Write about good things, > > happy things.” > > > > He then said that if Indian journalists were really desperate “to be > > negative,” they were free to criticize foreigners. “Attack Greece or > > something.” > > > > It is not as if Indians have not had good reasons to puff their chests in > > recent times. But, sometimes what makes a country proud is actually a > > poignant indicator of how far behind it lags. For instance, when a > country’s > > tennis doubles players are national celebrities, as they are in India, > you > > know that there is something wrong with its general sport talent. > > > > India did win the cricket World Cup, though, this year, probably the > > happiest Indian story since 1983, when it last won the Cup. Indians would > > argue that there are happy stories beyond cricket. > > > > For instance, the figure “8 percent” has its own triumphant character in > > India. It is probably the single most important source of joyous Indian > > stories. It is the approximate rate at which the Indian economy is > growing > > and expected to grow. But is it an achievement? > > > > Writing last year in The New Yorker, Steve Coll described a country whose > > number of poor people had fallen by almost half between 1999 and 2008, > from > > 30 percent of the population to about 17 percent. > > > > “This extraordinary change, a result of rapid economic growth and > > remittances,” he wrote, “is not often discussed on American cable-news > > outlets.” > > > > He then went on to say that in 2005, the nation had attained an economic > > growth of “8 percent annually, and the economy has continued to expand, > if > > more slowly, even since 2008.” > > > > It would be reasonable for Indians to think that Mr. Coll was talking > about > > them, but he was describing Pakistan. That Pakistan shares the same > economic > > pattern as India points to a truth Indians may not want to easily accept: > > that the economic progress of India, as in most of the third world, is > > chiefly the consequence of the wealth of affluent countries’ successfully > > seeking markets that are so poor that they have the space to expand. > > > > So is 8 percent as happy a story as it made out to be? It would be > > parsimonious not to grant India credit for making crucial policy > decisions, > > which have resulted in a new, prosperous middle class. But the happy > story > > of its economic growth is never complete without the grim stories of > major > > scams, a dangerously widening gap between rich and poor and the > displacement > > of small farmers, who are rising in revolt in several parts of the > country. > > > > India’s status as a software giant has long been a happy story. But it is > an > > exaggeration. India is a not a software giant. In your computer, there is > > probably not a single piece of software whose license is held by an > Indian > > company. > > > > What India is, in reality, is a giant back office. There was a time when > > Indian software companies confidently stated that there were so many > > talented educated Indians available to them that they would be able to > > swiftly “move up the value chain.” That was the refrain. > > > > But over the years, it has become evident that beneath the topsoil, > Indian > > talent does not run deep. Hundreds of thousands of graduates are > > unemployable as they pass out of substandard institutions. And many of > them > > who have begun to work in call centers cannot be trained beyond a point > > because their fundamentals are weak. For instance, they have never > attended > > an English-language school. > > > > A senior human resources executive with a call center in Gurgaon, on the > > outskirts of Delhi, said with a chuckle: “The swanky office is to impress > > the foreign client. Some of our people who work inside, I know they would > be > > happy in a cowshed.” > > > > Not surprisingly, thousands of kilometers away in the English city of > > Norwich, when a literary agent calls directory service for directions to > a > > restaurant, she covers the phone and complains to a friend, with an > > expletive: “I’m connected to an Indian call center.” > > > > There are happy Indian stories. As long as they are not fully told. > > > > *Manu Joseph is editor of the Indian newsweekly Open and author of the > novel > > “Serious Men.”* > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > assam@assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
